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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

bluewolf said:
Have the rules changed recently? As far as I understood it, there was no requirement yet for the business to be essential. The only requirement was that the person had to work from home unless the job they had could not be done at home.
I’ve seen a few people refer to the term “essential”, but I’ve not actually seen it in the guidelines. Have I missed something?
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No you haven't, your explanation is correct. People have seen the word essential and then not bothered reading the rest of the govt information. They are then going off on an incorrect, high handed rant about people doing what they are both entitled and encouraged to do, go to work. Do it safely, keep 2m apart but otherwise keep working.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
No you haven't, your explanation is correct. People have seen the word essential and then not bothered reading the rest of the govt information. They are then going off on an incorrect, high handed rant about people doing what they are both entitled and encouraged to do, go to work. Do it safely, keep 2m apart but otherwise keep working.
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Thank you. It's hard enough at the moment without people deliberately misinterpreting the rules..
 
bluewolf said:
Also, can one of the more knowledgeable posters on here post up a list of the Actual Government rules regarding the lockdown. There appears to be some discrepancy between the way some rules are understood. Thanks.
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Does this help although it doesn't say on there about limiting exercise to an hour. That was said at the briefing on Monday.
 
Surely everyone knows that the requirement is to stay indoors except under specific exemptions. To do essential shopping etc including you can go out for exercise
Keeping in mind "do not go out unnecessarily", this means walking from home, running from home or cycling from home.
It doesn't mean driving from home( either out of boredom or to go to a place for exercise)
Driving from home puts you outside, not exercising and at risk of coming into contact with others in a dangerous way. I.e. Accident.
It's a what if, but a justifiable one. If you weren't driving you cannot have an accident and you and ambulance, hospital A&E staff are not at risk from you and your injuries.
Do you think that the woman driving aimlessly was immediately arrested, or do you think she was told to go home and refused, more than once.?
I know which I would guess at.
Too many people playing lawyer - how can I interpret the rule to fit what I want to do and not enough of what is the safest thing to do ( or not do).
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Surely everyone knows that the requirement is to stay indoors except under specific exemptions. To do essential shopping etc including you can go out for exercise
Keeping in mind "do not go out unnecessarily", this means walking from home, running from home or cycling from home.
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Ok, so on Saturday I left the house to walk the dogs and get my 1 daily exercise. As I was going to pass through the village, I decided to buy some milk, bread and paracetamol (as I have a broken tooth that can't currently be fixed as the Dentists are shut). I think we'd all agree that these are essentials yes?
Unfortunately, the shop was clean out of all 3, so whilst I was in there I picked up a nice bottle of Rioja for me, and some Ben and Jerry Phish Food for the kids. Not what anyone would call essential items I suppose..

Breaking the rules or not..
 
chellie said:
Does this help although it doesn't say on there about limiting exercise to an hour. That was said at the briefing on Monday.
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I (and many others) are abiding by those rules.. The issue at the moment is that people are misinterpreting (and sometimes just plain fabricating) all types of rules..

I've walked the dogs, or gone out for a run every day since the lockdown began. I've also been to work (as I can't work from home). Everyone I've seen has been staying a minimum of 6ft away at least. Everyone has been polite. There's been no negative reactions. This will change if the rules aren't clear.
 
We were told to go to work if absolutely necessary. The work many are doing is not necessary. The management have deemed it essential.

In countless cases the work cannot be done in a safe manner. That is the main issue.

I work in a lab at a factory and for the most part get to hide from the workforce. 4 out 5 lab are off. My manager wants me wrapped in cotton wool. Its the shop floor that is the issue and it's the same in many factories.

This close contact makes a nonsense of social distancing practices by the general public. We have the potential to spread the virus to 100s of people. God only knows the damage what even bigger factories could do.

We could do the right thing and shut for a few weeks to help the greater cause.
 
bluewolf said:
Ok, so on Saturday I left the house to walk the dogs and get my 1 daily exercise. As I was going to pass through the village, I decided to buy some milk, bread and paracetamol (as I have a broken tooth that can't currently be fixed as the Dentists are shut). I think we'd all agree that these are essentials yes?
Unfortunately, the shop was clean out of all 3, so whilst I was in there I picked up a nice bottle of Rioja for me, and some Ben and Jerry Phish Food for the kids. Not what anyone would call essential items I suppose..

Breaking the rules or not..
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The rules say 'shopping for essentials' - you went shopping for essentials. Irrespective of the fact you didn't find any. :p
 
If we're not allowed to shop for anything other than "essentials " then the shops need to to take non essentials off the shelves.
I think what they mean is essential shopping - food, cleaning, health etc rather than spending half a day wandering from shop to shop.
If I go to Tesco, Aldi or whichever and something is on the shelf I expect to be able to buy it.
 
bluewolf said:
But therein lies the problem. I haven’t seen anything stating that travelling to take exercise is against the “law”. It’s been advised against (and should be adhered to), but could you arrest/fine someone for it?

Also, this 1 hour limit I've seen mentioned on here. Is that actually true? Or is it something that people have invented? I genuinely don't know what the actual "real" rules are anymore. I thought I did. I've read several Government releases over the last few days. But there are new "rules" being mentioned daily.
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I think the travelling thing comes under essential journeys. Is it essential you drive to a popular beauty spot/countryside/seaside to have a walk, and I think the consensus seems to be it isn't.

With regards to the hour thing Gove said at the weekend Well, obviously it depends on each individual’s fitness, but I would have thought that for most people a walk of up to an hour or a run of 30 minutes or a cycle ride, depending on their level of fitness is appropriate." And I kind of agree with him in that I'm not sure how many people before this regularly did over an hour of daily exercise, so he's saying to the public don't be a dick and use your common sense. And if everyone decides that they want to do 4 hours of walking every day in crowded areas then I am sure the restrictions will be more strict. Most of my dog walks are an hour, I do one on Saturdays that lasts over 2 hours but I see very few people as I'm mostly in the fields (which I do not drive to) and I'll just continue doing that until further notice.
 
williamalex1 said:
Why not just suspend recycling until this emergency period is over, uplift and dump everything in the same place at the same time .
We've done it for years and years, a few more months wont make that much difference.
Why are the local waste disposal centres closed, surely it's easy to keep safe distances there,
you never see anyone anyway, unless you try to put something in the wrong skip.:mad::mad:
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Or you're about to unload some copper pipe!!
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Surely everyone knows that the requirement is to stay indoors except under specific exemptions. To do essential shopping etc including you can go out for exercise
Keeping in mind "do not go out unnecessarily", this means walking from home, running from home or cycling from home.
It doesn't mean driving from home( either out of boredom or to go to a place for exercise)
Driving from home puts you outside, not exercising and at risk of coming into contact with others in a dangerous way. I.e. Accident.
It's a what if, but a justifiable one. If you weren't driving you cannot have an accident and you and ambulance, hospital A&E staff are not at risk from you and your injuries.
Do you think that the woman driving aimlessly was immediately arrested, or do you think she was told to go home and refused, more than once.?
I know which I would guess at.
Too many people playing lawyer - how can I interpret the rule to fit what I want to do and not enough of what is the safest thing to do ( or not do).
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I think this is a pretty good summation. The problem is that people look for loopholes and excuses as to why the rules don't apply to them.
I am working from home. I walk my Father in Law around the house and garden so he can get some regular daily exercise. My missus and I did a walk around the crescent and kept well away from the other couple we saw walking towards us. We have been to the supermarket once but if we need anything my stepson can bring it to us when he does his essential shopping.
Do I want to get out? Of course.
Is being stuck in getting to me? Certainly!
Will I be looking to for excuses to get or buy things just so I can get out? Absolutely not!
Why? Because I have two "at risk" people in the house for one. Secondly, the more I go out the more chance I have of catching it and not only infecting the people in the house but other people I come in contact with.
It's not that difficult to understand. It's about common sense and looking at the big picture for the good of all. Some people are just plain selfish.
 
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