Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Beezerk]

The local woods where I take my MTB have announced they are closing the car park and the police will be patrolling. Recently it has been very busy with families and dog walkers who don't appear to be from the area, you could see some groups were quite obviously taking the pi$$. I messaged the trust who look after the woods and they says it's fine for people who live locally to still go there on foot and bicycle ?

 

[harpo_72]

If we're not allowed to shop for anything other than "essentials " then the shops need to to take non essentials off the shelves.
I think what they mean is essential shopping - food, cleaning, health etc rather than spending half a day wandering from shop to shop.
If I go to Tesco, Aldi or whichever and something is on the shelf I expect to be able to buy it.

True.. but given your current condition should you be going anywhere?
And have you had any improvement?

 

[PhilTheFragger]

True.. but given your current condition should you be going anywhere?
And have you had any improvement?

Hes not going anywhere, I'm on food parcel duty......well Milk & bread, I think Mrs Imurg is allowed out on Wednesday, so she can stock up then

 

[Deleted member 16999]

What ever rules/Laws they wish to bring in, it has to be clear to everyone, no ambiguity, the Sky report last night stated the Police measures were a 20 minute e-learning package or a quick brief.

We have to look after the Police as well or they’ll end up the bad guys whilst the idiots look to abuse the boundaries.

99% will always use common sense, but we as a Nation like to highlight the minority.

 

[harpo_72]

I think the travelling thing comes under essential journeys. Is it essential you drive to a popular beauty spot/countryside/seaside to have a walk, and I think the consensus seems to be it isn't.

With regards to the hour thing Gove said at the weekend Well, obviously it depends on each individual’s fitness, but I would have thought that for most people a walk of up to an hour or a run of 30 minutes or a cycle ride, depending on their level of fitness is appropriate." And I kind of agree with him in that I'm not sure how many people before this regularly did over an hour of daily exercise, so he's saying to the public don't be a dick and use your common sense. And if everyone decides that they want to do 4 hours of walking every day in crowded areas then I am sure the restrictions will be more strict. Most of my dog walks are an hour, I do one on Saturdays that lasts over 2 hours but I see very few people as I'm mostly in the fields (which I do not drive to) and I'll just continue doing that until further notice.

Agreed, but recent history suggests common sense is not in abundance.. we would never have had all these people going out if it were.
Subtlety is not the order of the day.. be blunt, be clear and don’t give opportunity for interpretation.
So in that regard is a politician a good candidate to pass on a message ?

 

[Imurg]

True.. but given your current condition should you be going anywhere?
And have you had any improvement?

Ha!
Stopped work 3 weeks ago to try and protect the Mrs who works in SCBU at Stoke.
I've barely left the house since..2 rounds and a couple of shopping tripsbefore lockdown and into the garden to put the bins out for the last week - 14 day isolation coz she picked it up ( the plan worked then)
I picked it up last Thursday/Friday so, again, only been in the garden and even then not much.
Unless it's the calm before the storm I'm happy to report that It came, I saw and I kicked its butt!
Apart from tiredness caused by lack of sleep I feel about as normal as usual.
The Mrs seems to be slowly on the mend so everything is cool and groovy.
Assuming no temperature on friday morning, and I haven't had one at all, I can resume doing nothing....

 

[Hobbit]

As you say, similar enough. Whatever you read, I think British people are doing their bit. But without turning into a police state. I just find the desire to live under martial law for no obvious additional benefit and to wish it on everyone else is not for me.

I don't think anyone wants to live under martial law, and it isn't martial law in Spain. There isn't a huge difference in the laws, just how they're being enforced. As Bluewolf says, take the ambiguity out of it.

 

[pendodave]

Agreed, but recent history suggests common sense is not in abundance.. we would never have had all these people going out if it were.
Subtlety is not the order of the day.. be blunt, be clear and don’t give opportunity for interpretation.
So in that regard is a politician a good candidate to pass on a message ?

The raw numbers of travellers on road and rail suggests that common sense IS in abundance. Media organisations hyping every transgression for clicks is not the same as actual statistical evidence.
My own (anecdotal, not data driven) impression from briefings is that the invited guests pass on useful information and advice, while many of the politicians pass on mixed, confusing and downright inaccurate info.

 

[hovis]

The raw numbers of travellers on road and rail suggests that common sense IS in abundance. Media organisations hyping every transgression for clicks is not the same as actual statistical evidence.
My own (anecdotal, not data driven) impression from briefings is that the invited guests pass on useful information and advice, while many of the politicians pass on mixed, confusing and downright inaccurate info.

nothing the government had said to me has been confusing. in fact, it couldn't be simpler. confusion comes when people take that info and try to crowbar their agenda into it

 

[Imurg]

I don't think anyone wants to live under martial law, and it isn't martial law in Spain. There isn't a huge difference in the laws, just how they're being enforced. As Bluewolf says, take the ambiguity out of it.

The downside with that is, to satisfy those who are looking for any loophole they can, the rules will need to be scrutinised by the R&A for completeness and combined with a book the size of the Encyclopedia Britannia of Decisions......

 

[patricks148]

The local woods where I take my MTB have announced they are closing the car park and the police will be patrolling. Recently it has been very busy with families and dog walkers who don't appear to be from the area, you could see some groups were quite obviously taking the pi$$. I messaged the trust who look after the woods and they says it's fine for people who live locally to still go there on foot and bicycle ?

All the car parks for Woods owned by the Forestry Com are closed, but its not stopped people parking all over the place, blocking access in many cases. i use the canal a lot to walk the dog or take him out on the bike (me not him) and the number of cars blocking the access is astounding most days

 

[harpo_72]

The raw numbers of travellers on road and rail suggests that common sense IS in abundance. Media organisations hyping every transgression for clicks is not the same as actual statistical evidence.
My own (anecdotal, not data driven) impression from briefings is that the invited guests pass on useful information and advice, while many of the politicians pass on mixed, confusing and downright inaccurate info.

I think your right we are now seeing some common sense being applied .. but last week it was a bit thin on the ground unlike the walkers.
The media are hyping, if we could just have some sensible fact reporting it might defuse some of the tension.

 

[Jacko_G]

I don't think anyone wants to live under martial law, and it isn't martial law in Spain. There isn't a huge difference in the laws, just how they're being enforced. As Bluewolf says, take the ambiguity out of it.

Why is Spain so badly hit?

I've just read another 849 deaths yesterday.

 

[Hobbit]

All the car parks for Woods owned by the Forestry Com are closed, but its not stopped people parking all over the place, blocking access in many cases. i use the canal a lot to walk the dog or take him out on the bike (me not him) and the number of cars blocking the access is astounding most days

Sorry but I giggled. You use the canal to walk the dog… thought only Jesus could walk on water. Childish I know but it tickled me.

 

[harpo_72]

Ha!
Stopped work 3 weeks ago to try and protect the Mrs who works in SCBU at Stoke.
I've barely left the house since..2 rounds and a couple of shopping tripsbefore lockdown and into the garden to put the bins out for the last week - 14 day isolation coz she picked it up ( the plan worked then)
I picked it up last Thursday/Friday so, again, only been in the garden and even then not much.
Unless it's the calm before the storm I'm happy to report that It came, I saw and I kicked its butt!
Apart from tiredness caused by lack of sleep I feel about as normal as usual.
The Mrs seems to be slowly on the mend so everything is cool and groovy.
Assuming no temperature on friday morning, and I haven't had one at all, I can resume doing nothing....

Sounds positive!
Did you lose your sense of taste and smell?

 

[bluewolf]

nothing the government had said to me has been confusing. in fact, it couldn't be simpler. confusion comes when people take that info and try to crowbar their agenda into it

Nothing that's been released officially is confusing to me either, yet we still have people complaining that Factories are open who aren't "Essential". We still have people complaining that someone has spent more than an hour walking the dog. We still have Police issuing summons for buying Easter eggs (Warrington Police). The rules are abundantly clear, but they are also far too vague (if you get my drift).

 

[harpo_72]

Why is Spain so badly hit?

I've just read another 849 deaths yesterday.

News last night suggested it had got into the care homes... and an Italian mate was telling me it was the older community in the villages that were being hit in Italy..
But that still doesn’t account for the young who were considered to be strong and have a healthy immune system.
I also read and heard a theory that it’s the level of exposure as well .. but all is just speculation.

 

[pendodave]

I think your right we are now seeing some common sense being applied .. but last week it was a bit thin on the ground unlike the walkers.
The media are hyping, if we could just have some sensible fact reporting it might defuse some of the tension.

I agree. And there's no doubt that we, the general public, did not get of to a great start!
But I think we've got better. And whatever it seems, I'm not running around in the open citing my civil rights, I'm just concerned that going in too hard will be counter productive, and that wanton authoritarianism will have future unwelcome consequences.

 

[pendodave]

Nothing that's been released officially is confusing to me either, yet we still have people complaining that Factories are open who aren't "Essential". We still have people complaining that someone has spent more than an hour walking the dog. We still have Police issuing summons for buying Easter eggs (Warrington Police). The rules are abundantly clear, but they are also far too vague (if you get my drift).

Don't remember the Gove children visiting two parents nonsense?

** edit ** this comes across as a bit arsey. And probably isn't quite what you were referring to. Apologies

 

[User62651]

Wanting to talk to bank about a mortgage holiday - online banking says you have to phone, trouble is they will not answer the phone, tried multiple times. Should i just stop my direct debit?- bet I'd get a phone call back in 5 minutes if I did that!

Just get the feeling they are avoiding hoping people will give up trying ot get in touch.

Might have to go to branch and enquire even though I'm suppoosed to be self isolating.