Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

I don't have anything against wearing masks, and tend to wear a proper N95/N99 based mask, so it provides an element of individual protection and anything else.

If you believe the virus is transmitted by aerosol, then basically a cloth or non sealed mask does not do alot. Virus particles are tiny and can pass straight tho or around the mask when you breath in and out(yeah some will be caught). Helps with a redirection but thats not going to help if sat in an office or class for hours, as its aerosol.

I prefer real world data, rather than words or hamster lab tests to prove a point. In the real world, there is loads of data in the USA and other countries 'states'(all tied up with other protections and restrictions of course) and to be honest, you couldn't tell which states have mask mandates and which don't. On top of that you cant tell when the state introduced them and stopping using them. Its like a guess, 50:50. You go and have a look if it interests you, would love to say otherwise, as wouldnt it be lovely if masks did stop transmission.:(

Not checked out this guys graphs to actual data figures, to see if they are correct, as really not that bothered as neutral on the matter, but heres a thread from the last couple of days, the guy makes some great points in his thread :-

Steve Brown on Twitter: "Just your periodic reminder that masks don't work (maybe they should, but the data says otherwise)." / Twitter

Would love to see real world counter population based examples if you have any? The denmark study didnt really draw any conclusions.

Masks are a minor help at best IMHO in the real world. I would take not being inside or 9 foot between us, over hoping for protection from the kind of masks people wear.

People get far to carried away with the fact they can see something and think it must work, but real life sadly isnt like that. If it was that easy, this would have all been over with ages ago.

Im mask neutral, just like to ask questions and challenge by own outlooks. Bit like asking why I cant wear jeans to play golf:whistle::ROFLMAO:
 
How many of you would be happy for a surgeon to open you up without wearing a mask?
What it comes down to is, it might help reduce transmission, it might not, but it sure as hell isn't going to make it worse. So just put up with the bit of minor inconvenience in the knowledge you might save someones life.
 
I have about half a dozen masks spread around the house and car as I found myself forgetting during the early stages. Must admit they have only really been washed if I've left them in trouser pockets and forgotten to take them out or if I have dropped them and consciously made an effort to clean it.
 
Jamesbrown said:
I’m sure they’re very effective in laboratory settings but with the public no.
I don’t know anyone who wants to wear them, most purely wearing them because they have to. They’re kept in pockets, thrown on tables and worn multiple times and rarely changed.

If anything I think they’ve increased infections alongside some bank balances.
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I'm curious as to why you think there's a difference between a lab setting and in public? A person breaths in and out in a lab, just the same as in public... maybe I'm missing something.
 
SaintHacker said:
How many of you would be happy for a surgeon to open you up without wearing a mask?
What it comes down to is, it might help reduce transmission, it might not, but it sure as hell isn't going to make it worse. So just put up with the bit of minor inconvenience in the knowledge you might save someones life.
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I wouldnt but the purpose in that setting is slightly different, so not really comparable

Disposable surgical face masks for preventing surgical wound infection in clean surgery | Cochrane


Do Face Masks Prevent the Spread of Viruses? (healthline.com)

Surgical face masks are fairly loose-fitting, disposable masks approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for use as medical devices. Doctors, dentists, and nurses often wear them while treating patients.

These masks prevent large droplets of bodily fluids that may contain viruses or other germs from escaping via the nose and mouth. They also protect against splashes and sprays from other people, such as those from sneezes and coughs.
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Not for aerosol reduction.

Anyway I will bow out of this discussion, as posted my neutral thoughts on the matter and certainly dont not looking to argue as im neutral on the matter .
 
DRW said:
I don't have anything against wearing masks, and tend to wear a proper N95/N99 based mask, so it provides an element of individual protection and anything else.

If you believe the virus is transmitted by aerosol, then basically a cloth or non sealed mask does not do alot. Virus particles are tiny and can pass straight tho or around the mask when you breath in and out(yeah some will be caught). Helps with a redirection but thats not going to help if sat in an office or class for hours, as its aerosol.

I prefer real world data, rather than words or hamster lab tests to prove a point. In the real world, there is loads of data in the USA and other countries 'states'(all tied up with other protections and restrictions of course) and to be honest, you couldn't tell which states have mask mandates and which don't. On top of that you cant tell when the state introduced them and stopping using them. Its like a guess, 50:50. You go and have a look if it interests you, would love to say otherwise, as wouldnt it be lovely if masks did stop transmission.:(

Not checked out this guys graphs to actual data figures, to see if they are correct, as really not that bothered as neutral on the matter, but heres a thread from the last couple of days, the guy makes some great points in his thread :-

Steve Brown on Twitter: "Just your periodic reminder that masks don't work (maybe they should, but the data says otherwise)." / Twitter

Would love to see real world counter population based examples if you have any? The denmark study didnt really draw any conclusions.

Masks are a minor help at best IMHO in the real world. I would take not being inside or 9 foot between us, over hoping for protection from the kind of masks people wear.

People get far to carried away with the fact they can see something and think it must work, but real life sadly isnt like that. If it was that easy, this would have all been over with ages ago.

Im mask neutral, just like to ask questions and challenge by own outlooks. Bit like asking why I cant wear jeans to play golf:whistle::ROFLMAO:
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Which is maybe why we were not required to wear masks at the outset - the medics and scientists knew that it was MUCH more important that we kept 2m apart outside and didn’t meet up inside. Adding masks into the mix at the outset would perhaps have diluted the importance of what was key to reducing transmission - and wearing a mask might have seemed to many that it was an equivalent mitigation to transmission when it never has been. It’s an added extra - a top-up mitigation that blocks droplets getting sprayed through coughing, sneezing etc.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Which is maybe why we were not required to wear masks at the outset - the medics and scientists knew that it was MUCH more important that we kept 2m apart outside and didn’t meet up inside. Adding masks into the mix at the outset would perhaps have diluted the importance of what was key to reducing transmission - and wearing a mask might have seemed to many that it was an equivalent mitigation to transmission when it never has been. It’s an added extra - a top-up mitigation that blocks droplets getting sprayed through coughing, sneezing etc.
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Wasn't the initial issue with masks that had Joe Public bought them up like they did toilet rolls then there would have been none for the NHS? It's a year ago so I might well be wrong but I seem to remember that from somewhere.
 
Boiling it down. Masks help stop transmission by droplets.
They do not help stop transmission by aerosol.
Hence, when you go into a shop , because for a short period , they help in case you get close enough to transmit by droplet- cough, sneeze, talk animatedly etc.
If you are indoors for a length of time , sat at a desk say, then you transmit , and inhale, by aerosol and the mask in that situation, is irrelevant.
 
DRW said:
I don't have anything against wearing masks, and tend to wear a proper N95/N99 based mask, so it provides an element of individual protection and anything else.

If you believe the virus is transmitted by aerosol, then basically a cloth or non sealed mask does not do alot. Virus particles are tiny and can pass straight tho or around the mask when you breath in and out(yeah some will be caught). Helps with a redirection but thats not going to help if sat in an office or class for hours, as its aerosol.

I prefer real world data, rather than words or hamster lab tests to prove a point. In the real world, there is loads of data in the USA and other countries 'states'(all tied up with other protections and restrictions of course) and to be honest, you couldn't tell which states have mask mandates and which don't. On top of that you cant tell when the state introduced them and stopping using them. Its like a guess, 50:50. You go and have a look if it interests you, would love to say otherwise, as wouldnt it be lovely if masks did stop transmission.:(

Not checked out this guys graphs to actual data figures, to see if they are correct, as really not that bothered as neutral on the matter, but heres a thread from the last couple of days, the guy makes some great points in his thread :-

Steve Brown on Twitter: "Just your periodic reminder that masks don't work (maybe they should, but the data says otherwise)." / Twitter

Would love to see real world counter population based examples if you have any? The denmark study didnt really draw any conclusions.

Masks are a minor help at best IMHO in the real world. I would take not being inside or 9 foot between us, over hoping for protection from the kind of masks people wear.

People get far to carried away with the fact they can see something and think it must work, but real life sadly isnt like that. If it was that easy, this would have all been over with ages ago.

Im mask neutral, just like to ask questions and challenge by own outlooks. Bit like asking why I cant wear jeans to play golf:whistle::ROFLMAO:
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A mask will stop aerosol droplets from being projected, the mask will deflect them such they will stay local to you. It doesn't need scientific tests to understand that.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Wasn't the initial issue with masks that had Joe Public bought them up like they did toilet rolls then there would have been none for the NHS? It's a year ago so I might well be wrong but I seem to remember that from somewhere.
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I believe so - but I dont think much was made of it for reason I suggest - a mask is not an equivalent transmission risk mitigation to separation and not being indoors with others - but some may have chosen to make it so.
 
Hobbit said:
I'm curious as to why you think there's a difference between a lab setting and in public? A person breaths in and out in a lab, just the same as in public... maybe I'm missing something.
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You are, there’s no denial of their efficacy.
People who work in a laboratory setting or medical settings will wear them properly using proper hygiene, single use, not fiddle with them and likely use them with proper care.
More so than joe public.
Joe public don’t want to wear them, don’t use them properly, don’t care for them, multiple use, take off and stuff in their pocket, put back on and generally go around touching stuff while shopping and save for the next day. Their pockets are infected, their fingers infected, equivalent to joe public sneezing and coughing on their hands infecting surfaces.

On top of that Masks gave some sort of complacency, social distancing fell by the wayside which should be the most important thing, anti baccing and handwashing an after thought exasperating the spread.

All trials and papers seem to be inconclusive and undecided.


SaintHacker said:
How many of you would be happy for a surgeon to open you up without wearing a mask?
What it comes down to is, it might help reduce transmission, it might not, but it sure as hell isn't going to make it worse. So just put up with the bit of minor inconvenience in the knowledge you might save someones life.
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You can’t be sure as hell as it was reported at the beginning that mask wearing in the community could have a negative impact.
There was a lot of lobbying going off to change the stance on masks. To whose benefit you decide. But all trials are still inconclusive.

Yes I would allow a surgeon to go unmasked on me, I doubt an ill surgeon would be over my open wound though and I don’t think he wants some of my bodily fluids splashed in his face.
But the thought of friction caused flaky skin dropping in my wound doesn’t sound appealing and intensifies the germaphobe in me. Here’s a paper on surgeons and masks.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4480558/

I’m sure Ethan can tell me I’m wrong but above is my belief.
 
Jamesbrown said:
You are, there’s no denial of their efficacy.
People who work in a laboratory setting or medical settings will wear them properly using proper hygiene, single use, not fiddle with them and likely use them with proper care.
More so than joe public.
Joe public don’t want to wear them, don’t use them properly, don’t care for them, multiple use, take off and stuff in their pocket, put back on and generally go around touching stuff while shopping and save for the next day. Their pockets are infected, their fingers infected, equivalent to joe public sneezing and coughing on their hands infecting surfaces.

On top of that Masks gave some sort of complacency, social distancing fell by the wayside which should be the most important thing, anti baccing and handwashing an after thought exasperating the spread.

All trials and papers seem to be inconclusive and undecided.
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So there's nothing wrong with the masks, only the people wearing them aren't doing so properly. You are defaulting to the lowest common denominator, i.e. they're a waste of time because you want that to be the outcome. Why not educate and enforce. That way you will see the benefit you talk of that is achieved in the labs. Not wanting to wear them doesn't make it right. Wanting to wear them properly should be the outcome we all want, unless you want to be selfish.

But lets be honest, you just don't want masks. And you give a great list of all the reasons why but you don't acknowledge/recognise that if worn properly, everyone benefits. No one wants them but some people recognise that they do have some benefit.
 
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