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I read that wrong, but I still do not get your point.
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I read that wrong, but I still do not get your point.
backwoodsman
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A question please... Where/when did you hear this spokesman?
SwingsitlikeHogan
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On the Today programme this morning. I cannot say who the individual was a spokesman for. It was the same spokesman who told us that we should not be booking any holidays overseas (or indeed at home) at the moment and, indeed, that most people weren't currently having any such thoughts.
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A woman at work is unsure about taking the vaccine ? but loves her holidays. She mentioned that no one can force her to have one, correct, but I pointed out that if half of Europe insists she has one before she can visit will she feel the same? No vaccine no foreign holiday.
To an extent it doesn't matter if we don't want a vaccine passport if every other country does.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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No need for a vaccine passport internal to UK accommodates the freedom of choice of those choosing to not take the vaccine as one would limit their freedoms. And that might delay opening of some public venues or events.
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And in what way would that mean any restrictions to us who have taken the vaccine? This was the initial question:
"Do we as a society need to still keep some sort of restrictions in place to help protect them?"
What you're raising is certainly interesting, but isn't really to do with the above.
To put restrictions on those who've chosen to not take the vaccine, absolutely if you ask me, but it's a separate question.
SaintHacker
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Probably could have been worded better. What I meant was, if you catch flu ( and I sincereley hope you dont) I doesn't affect me as we don't lockdown becasue of it. Covid has affected me massiveley. I'm not bitter about it because if its saved a few peoples lives then its worth it. By leaving them on their own I don't mean they shoudn't have any healthcare or anything like that, just that there should be no further restrictions that can damage the majority when they are refusing something that can finally bring this godforsaken episode to an end.
backwoodsman
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In which case, same bloke I heard. Who wasnt really a spokesman for anyone other than the company he works for. And who is developing an IT system/solution that could be used to prove you've had the jab. He was adamant it wasn't "a passport" but was more of a "certificate". (But to me that's only semantics). Main point was that although his company is developing a system, it was up to others (government presumably?) as to whether such a system needed to be implemented or not.
SaintHacker
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And equally it could be used as a way around a two grand ten day hotel stay whenshe returns!
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Not sure how i feel about this
All the support staff at my wife's school have been put down to have the vaccine as they are one to one with the kids every day and it's a disabled school so it gets very close at times
Anyways 3 members of staff haven't been put down including my wife because their on maternity leave
Not sure if that feels right? Surely it's 3 people just name them they get vaccine so they will be safe upon their return .. some might come back soon!
All the support staff at my wife's school have been put down to have the vaccine as they are one to one with the kids every day and it's a disabled school so it gets very close at times
Anyways 3 members of staff haven't been put down including my wife because their on maternity leave
Not sure if that feels right? Surely it's 3 people just name them they get vaccine so they will be safe upon their return .. some might come back soon!
Imurg
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I thought Grant Shaps said something about not having a Vaccine Passport this morning.
You get a chit to say you've had it, much like any other jab ( yellow fever etc) not a passport as such.
Some countries are bound to want one from those coming in.
Australia would be one that wouldn't surprise me by wanting one.
Quaintarse have already said as much.
You get a chit to say you've had it, much like any other jab ( yellow fever etc) not a passport as such.
Some countries are bound to want one from those coming in.
Australia would be one that wouldn't surprise me by wanting one.
Quaintarse have already said as much.
Greece has agreed a vaccine passport travel deal with Israel. The EU mooted a vaccine passport last year, and many EU member states are pushing for it, initially suggested to go live from Jan 2022. The EU also asked member states to collate names of those who refuse the jab.
As has been said, it may come to 'no jab, no travel.'
As has been said, it may come to 'no jab, no travel.'
Slime
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According to the BBC we shouldn't book holidays abroad or at home because ''Summer has been put on hold''.
Who makes this hysterical crap up?
Who makes this hysterical crap up?
Tashyboy
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Re having a vaccine passport, why not. Esp if you want to travel. I have heard that the passports could be easily faked. If we don’t know what they look like how can we fake them. Does it actually have to be a piece of paper. If it’s travel, put it on a data base. Those that don’t want the vaccine, I am ok with that, that’s there choice, reap what you sow. But if you falsify a vaccine passport to say you have had it when you have not, throw the book and the library at them.
Beedee
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From what I've seen all the talk about vaccine passports has been about Brits going abroad. I can't recall seeing any discussion about visitors coming to the UK.
So should the UK insist on proof of vaccine before we allow inbound tourism?
So should the UK insist on proof of vaccine before we allow inbound tourism?
Swinglowandslow
Well-known member
There is a point there ......somewhere. But it is apples and oranges.
Flu has been here long time and we have herd immunity. Covid is a whole different ball game.
Everyone knows the worst case scenario. An NHS almost overwhelmed , with the likely result being to the detriment of all with any serious condition.
If the anti vaxxers want to ignore their societal responsibilities then let them take the consequences if they get ill.
Time to get hard. Too long have abusers of their bodies burdened the hell out of the public service ( NHS) despite being almost begged to look after themselves and each other.
And don't anyone tell me it's a matter of them being educated. If they are blind and deaf, maybe, but otherwise they are aware of the many pleas etc to look after themselves and others.
Ethan
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Paul Hunter is big in mathematical modelling, rather than ground level public health, but nobody serious expects that we can eradicate Covid at this stage. There was a point when we possibly could have done so, but that ship has sailed.
The issue of protecting the most vulnerable is only part of the approach, though. They are not the people responsible for most transmission, so protecting the people who are in important roles which carry a high risk of transmission need protecting, because that protects everybody else.
At the start of this, I suggested that I would have started with the oldest people in frontline jobs, and work up and down age ranges from there. Those people are at high risk both of personal bad outcomes but also of spread, so treating them might reduce overall cases faster than treating older people and will allow them to remain economically active. They probably also have kids at school or college, so are exposed to risk and transmission cycles there. So NHS frontline staff, police, ambulance crews, care workers, teachers etc in their 50s and 60s would be first in my plan. It is unfortunate that multiple reports suggest that many of the first vaccines went to young backroom NHS staff instead.
Over time, we will build up some cumulative immunity, and like flu, in due course most people will not get symptomatic illness most years.
People who decline vaccination should, in my view, be told that is fine, we will call you back after we have finished the rest of the population in late 2021. I would find it objectionable to be kicked down the queue because Mr Hesitant came along, taking an appointment, has a chat about it, decides not, then changes his mind a week later. One time offer, missed your chance, mate. Time spent persuading people is time the could be used for multiple actual vaccinations of the willing. Take it or leave it.
Ethan
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Pregnancy is a precaution, in other words the prescribing advice states that a personal assessment should be made about how important it is to vaccinate versus possible risks for each individual. There is no evidence that there is any specific risk, but the truth is we don't know. Breast feeding is likely to be safer, but again, not 100% proven.
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None of them are pregnant, they are all maternity leave after pregnancy
Our daughters are 6 months old this month
Maybe they could request it?
Tashyboy
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probably will in 2023