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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

From the looks of the Supreme Court Ruling the insurance companies are going to have to pay out on the business interruption policies which they claimed did not cover interruption of business. Insurance industry is going to take a big hit but that could keep hundreds of small businesses going for a bit longer.
 
One of my colleagues tested positive yesterday, he was convinced it was just a cold, got a test and boom. Says he woke up this morning covered in sweat and shivering, luckily he's young and fit so should shake it off quite easily.
He'd been working on an install in the same Wellingborough factory for around 3 weeks so I guess it opened it up for him to be more at risk.
 
It becomes real when folk you know get it... been fairly light in this rural corner of Monmouthshire. However, a couple of NHS folk live in the village and work at Royal Gwent and the new hospital at Cwmbran. They've said it is like a battle zone in both and they are getting really angry about the internet-experts spouting their stuff.

Welsh FM spoke today. In summary, "No changes still the stats improve. Will try for changes at next review which is 29th January." - I can live with that.
 
IanM said:
It becomes real when folk you know get it... been fairly light in this rural corner of Monmouthshire. However, a couple of NHS folk live in the village and work at Royal Gwent and the new hospital at Cwmbran. They've said it is like a battle zone in both and they are getting really angry about the internet-experts spouting their stuff.

Welsh FM spoke today. In summary, "No changes still the stats improve. Will try for changes at next review which is 29th January." - I can live with that.
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Just checking not picking - assume a minor spello here - did you mean 'until'?
 
IanM said:
It becomes real when folk you know get it... been fairly light in this rural corner of Monmouthshire. However, a couple of NHS folk live in the village and work at Royal Gwent and the new hospital at Cwmbran. They've said it is like a battle zone in both and they are getting really angry about the internet-experts spouting their stuff.

Welsh FM spoke today. In summary, "No changes still the stats improve. Will try for changes at next review which is 29th January." - I can live with that.
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Seen my next door neighbours today.
Havnt seen them since Xmas eve.
Both had COVID she looks shocking him so so.
Said “ woke up with a headache Xmas day and been in bed for 14 days”
Both in their 70 s both their son an daughter had it at the same time.
So long recovery by the look of them today.
Just glad they came through it.
 
DanFST said:
Oh not at all, This situation has been terrible for all. But as a young-ish person. I can say I'd much rather be living on my pension right now. As opposed to being made redundant, uncertainty of furlough or starting a career and entering this environment.
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the problem is Dan that a lot of people that are living on there pension are now in the category of “ were living on there pension”. The vast majority of those that have died being the elderly.
Re the Elderly, they have been through many years of what you mention re being made redundant, uncertain of starting careers etc. A lot of people of all ages are struggling and losing out. How folks recover from this. Ask me this time next year.
 
clubchamp98 said:
Seen my next door neighbours today.
Havnt seen them since Xmas eve.
Both had COVID she looks shocking him so so.
Said “ woke up with a headache Xmas day and been in bed for 14 days”
Both in their 70 s both their son an daughter had it at the same time.
So long recovery by the look of them today.
Just glad they came through it.
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some of the symptoms I had during Covid was just unreal. Ave never had a temp like that before yet I was shaking like a dog pooing. Headaches, Ave had millions but these were like nowt Ave had before. Sometimes it felt my head was on a spring, me balance was unreal. But me eyes, I constantly look like am bladdered, glassy eyes. Most people Ave seen with Covid have the same glassy eyed look. Taste, I had a beer yesterday, first one since Christmas Day. I might as well of drunk water. Lost count the amount of times Ave just fell asleep on the settee.
One day at a time.
 
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Tashyboy said:
the problem is Dan that a lot of people that are living on there pension are now in the category of “ were living on there pension”. The vast majority of those that have died being the elderly.
Re the Elderly, they have been through many years of what you mention re being made redundant, uncertain of starting careers etc. A lot of people of all ages are struggling and losing out. How folks recover from this. Ask me this time next year.
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Too right, elderly deaths are basically infinity higher than those in under 40, and they are still dying en masse. It's tragic. And indicates that the current system isn't working.

With that, let's change the wording of my point, for their own safety, the elderly could be further segregated from society. They could be given all they need to live life as comfortably as possible without ever coming into contact with a potential virus carrier. (EG: monopoly on home delivery slots, free sterile transportation to medical appointments. Internet and equipment for zoom calls.) 99% won't be working. Can't see family members, too right! I don't know how anyone can sleep if they've come into close contact with an elderly relative. Just sit in the front garden, and open a window if you have to do it. I just can't comprehend how someone who isn't working and is at high risk is catching the virus right now.

And yes, elderly people have gone through bad times. But i'm not sure there has ever been an event where almost 20% of the country have been on furlough. Many millions more have been forced to benefits because their contracts don't allow furlough payments. What do you do if you are a graduate from 2020? You have spent almost a year on benefits, if you don't have parents you are homeless unless you've been lucky enough to find council housing.

If those most at risk were segregated like above, and young people are in-fact going to have to "chance it" without a vaccine. Why wouldn't you open up everything now, what are we waiting for? Get the majority of the population back to work, stop damaging kids futures.

Obviously that won't be popular on here with the demographic. But if it wasn't such an emotive subject, logically it's an interesting line of investigation.
 
DanFST said:
Too right, elderly deaths are basically infinity higher than those in under 40, and they are still dying en masse. It's tragic. And indicates that the current system isn't working.

With that, let's change the wording of my point, for their own safety, the elderly could be further segregated from society. They could be given all they need to live life as comfortably as possible without ever coming into contact with a potential virus carrier. (EG: monopoly on home delivery slots, free sterile transportation to medical appointments. Internet and equipment for zoom calls.) 99% won't be working. Can't see family members, too right! I don't know how anyone can sleep if they've come into close contact with an elderly relative. Just sit in the front garden, and open a window if you have to do it. I just can't comprehend how someone who isn't working and is at high risk is catching the virus right now.

And yes, elderly people have gone through bad times. But i'm not sure there has ever been an event where almost 20% of the country have been on furlough. Many millions more have been forced to benefits because their contracts don't allow furlough payments. What do you do if you are a graduate from 2020? You have spent almost a year on benefits, if you don't have parents you are homeless unless you've been lucky enough to find council housing.

If those most at risk were segregated like above, and young people are in-fact going to have to "chance it" without a vaccine. Why wouldn't you open up everything now, what are we waiting for? Get the majority of the population back to work, stop damaging kids futures.

Obviously that won't be popular on here with the demographic. But if it wasn't such an emotive subject, logically it's an interesting line of investigation.
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Sorry but many elderly people would hate that completely.

The majority find the internet and modern ways scary. Don't trust online banking..don't trust video calling. Normally need help from grandkids to fix stuff like that. They would be prime for fraud as lack of understanding means they will be prayed on.

Also older people their lifes are their family. Zoom won't replace it where as for younger generation it would be ok for now. They miss the social interaction more.

Ofc there will be those who this would suit. The except that proves the rule.

My grandparents both have had 2 dozes of the vaccine now so In 3 weeks at least they will be safe. My grandad has half a lung due to cancer , yet they were going out after 3 months as they both in their 80s and see it as they might not see people again if they shut away. They would rather die sooner than have a life like prison (to them)

I've avoided them like the plague as i don't want to kill them

We are approaching the end of a long journey. No point rushing it now
 
bobmac said:
What age would you consider 'elderly'?
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Presumably it would be where the curve for death from covid really jumps sharply.

I appreciate @DanFST comments may be uncomfortable for some but it is healthy to discuss other options. Someone pointed out Indonesia are taking this approach, as are China. We are committed to our approach now so no chance to change but perhaps under review, after this is all over, we may decide that their approach would be more effective.
 
It won’t work for the simple fact you can’t guarantee protecting the elderley or those at risk.

We still don’t know enough about how it spreads, otherwise we’d control it, so unless you have the sterile facilities to move those elderley and at risk in to, to guarantee their safety, waste of time.

You couldn’t “force” people in to isolation, it’s a complete fantasy argument from those a bit bored of covid.
 
bobmac said:
Just for the sake of discussion, you must have some idea. Over 50? 60? 70? 80?
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Whatever the data suggests. As stated before.


pauldj42 said:
You couldn’t “force” people in to isolation, it’s a complete fantasy argument from those a bit bored of covid.
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Why? I've been forced into isolation? For something that didn't kill me last time. And I won't be going to hospital if it strikes me again.
 
DanFST said:
Whatever the data suggests. As stated before.




Why? I've been forced into isolation? For something that didn't kill me last time. And I won't be going to hospital if it strikes me again.
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Because some of ”these” elderley and at risk people are the rich/powerful people in this Country and they will never ever go in to quarantine with the scroats.

MP’s, The Queen? Won’t happen, complete non-starter.

Your method needed implementing on day 1 with the correct resources to even have a chance, nobody is going to change tack after 10 months.
 
DanFST said:
Whatever the data suggests. As stated before.
Why? I've been forced into isolation? For something that didn't kill me last time. And I won't be going to hospital if it strikes me again.
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How do you know it won't kill you? There have been a few reports on here from people like Homer, of healthy young people dying. Yes, instances are low but there are younger people being hospitalised. I think your recent posts come across as sod the elderly, just let them vegetate in isolation or die, so I can get on with my life as I have longer to live. Very selfish and arrogant viewpoint in my opinion. And I am still of working age.
 
MetalMickie said:
What of the effect upon the economy?

Isolating the over 65's would deny it of the benefit of a section of the community with one of the highest levels of available and disposable income.
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I think they sell Werthers on Amazon now ?

In all seriousness, I can see Dan’s point. At the moment, everyone is isolating. Would it be a better option to open up the economy, but spend half the current outlay on ensuring those most at risk could isolate safely and securely? Would reduce the pressure on the NHS and allow the currently failing economy to start recovery.
I haven’t thought about this in any real depth, but on the surface I can see some benefits.
And yes, I’m of working age. And also yes, if I was retired and over the age at which COVID becomes a real issue then I think I would accept an enforced lockdown if it improved the future prospects of my kids.
 
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