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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Whereditgo said:
Lost a cousin to Covid yesterday, mid 60's and no real health problems before this, he hung on for a week on a respirator but finally succumbed yesterday evening :cry:

To give an idea of the pressure the NHS is currently under from staff shortages; at the hospital my partner works at 11 out of 17 ward staff on one ward alone tested positive for Covid this week, that was on a general ward too.

On a more positive note, the local trust carried out a trial this week of a new treatment, inhalation of a protein called interferon beta, which appears to reduce the odds of developing severe disease by 80% and it will now be trialled nationwide.
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Interferon beta is an established, almost outdated, treatment for MS, delivered as an injection to patients. I worked on it in the early noughties. It plays a key role in the immune system and is a highly plausible treatment especially when delivered by inhalation for this condition. I hope the trials work out. It should be well tolerated with few problems.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I believe they are doing all the health/social/care workers next.
Interested to hear from my neighbour that the nurse told her she is getting her second vaccination in two weeks time.
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Ok that makes sense. I got the (wrong) impression from your post that they were taking a break. I'd forgotten about the other high priority groups. ?
 
DanFST said:
Idiots don't wake up this early!
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I really really don't get people who question the masks, the virus being real etc

Why would any government want their economy to tank ?

I suppose they all like having to borrow lots of money and be slated constantly just to make everyone suffer?

Wake up people
 
Those nurses and front line care workers that have had Covid. Yes it would be nice to have them back at work. But if they are owt like Mr and Missis T were knackered most of the time so lord knows what it’s like having to go back to work.
 
pauljames87 said:
I really really don't get people who question the masks, the virus being real etc

Why would any government want their economy to tank ?

I suppose they all like having to borrow lots of money and be slated constantly just to make everyone suffer?

Wake up people
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I think the bigger problem is people who see fighting the health consequences as being opposed to fighting the economy. I think it should becoming obvious even to them that the two must go hand in hand.
 
Ethan said:
I think the bigger problem is people who see fighting the health consequences as being opposed to fighting the economy. I think it should becoming obvious even to them that the two must go hand in hand.
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The irony of which that those who took a harsh approach have seen less deaths and their economies bounce back quicker

There is no harm admiting you got it wrong and change tactic

However that point happened in may time

Problem we have in this country that's proven during this is the great British people don't like being told what to do
 
pauljames87 said:
The irony of which that those who took a harsh approach have seen less deaths and their economies bounce back quicker

There is no harm admiting you got it wrong and change tactic

However that point happened in may time

Problem we have in this country that's proven during this is the great British people don't like being told what to do
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Report today on the BBC website is that compliance with this lockdown is actually at about the same levels of May, some increase in bending the rules mainly in relation to meeting outdoors but the actual picture is mainly one of compliance.
 
pauljames87 said:
The irony of which that those who took a harsh approach have seen less deaths and their economies bounce back quicker

There is no harm admiting you got it wrong and change tactic

However that point happened in may time

Problem we have in this country that's proven during this is the great British people don't like being told what to do
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And that was the lesson of Spanish flu and subsequent epidemics, and well known to economists and public health people, but some people just don't listen.

Some people don't like being told what to do, but they won't like a ET tube being put down their trachea or a nasty inflammatory long Covid either.
 
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GB72 said:
Report today on the BBC website is that compliance with this lockdown is actually at about the same levels of May, some increase in bending the rules mainly in relation to meeting outdoors but the actual picture is mainly one of compliance.
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However the point is the level of compliance isn't so much the issue it's the level of restrictions

Australia for example were following our model

They switched models and now they have posted 927 deaths throughout covid I believe it was

How many is ours now? That's just our daily recently which is depressing
 
Blue in Munich said:
No bashing, but having dealt with it first hand for 30 years, my view will be formed, or clouded if you prefer, by my experience.



And are you, without proof, not accepting every word of their account from a newspaper with a known agenda? I'd suggest I've done no more than you there, just fallen the other side of the fence. Where did i say i believed the women ?I just said it looks like you believe the officer with out proof .

There has been an awful lot of legislation passed, in very short order, in circumstances where the police will have great trouble keeping fully abreast of it. However if FPN's were issued I find it difficult to believe that there is not a statute offence; how it is worded, & how dependent on the guidance & its interpretation the offence is, I have no idea. You would not rescind a fine if it was issued correctly and lawfully unless you are pandering to the public view of the event.Again i am happy to be proven wrong .



Because it would potentially prejudice any trial, if indeed it was worn? At the time they still had the option of contesting the FPN in court. And how would the public take to a trial being conducted by media? I'd suggest that they'd be even worse off than they currently are.I do not see how it could predjudice anything ,surely if the events happened they happened so there is a record that can be shown to be true if bodycams were worn and switched on .



This is a preferred tactic in a society that is policed by consent, however it is dependant on a couple of things; the ability of the recipient of "the word" to listen to said word, and the ability to understand that it is usually not a negotiable offer, but very much take it or leave it. Quite a lot of the weekend's evening customers were people who had been given "a word", but were either deaf, stupid or some combination of the two. The offence used to be affectionately known amongst law enforcement practitioners as "talking when they should have been listening". Maybe the ladies were offered a word but declined it? So the advice\word becomes a command ? I do not understand how guidelines can become strict commands



I'm sure the officer doesn't consider it a picnic. I wouldn't be surprised if a throwaway comment was made, probably during a word that was being had but not listened to, which has now been turned against them. It wouldn't be the first time as I can attest.I am sure a member of the public has uttered a "throw away comment " that an officer has then turned back on them , it is a two way street , if he did not mean the comment, he was in an emotive situation and everything was going to be picked up on the widespread use of smartphones means everything is going to be recorded and used .



I'm not averse to criticism if it is justified; I didn't always get it right, nor did all of my colleagues, but we did get an awful lot more right than wrong, and a hell of a lot more right than the Daily Mail will ever give us credit for. And this one just doesn't ring true to me. Happy to agree to disagree. (y)
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I may appear to be criticising and i suppose it comes across as that but i just dont like to be told one side of things, it is unfair the police in this occasion were hung out to dry, but someone must have given those officers instruction and those people need to be sure what they are doing is proper and correct and answer for their actions .
I am sure 99.999% of officers do not want to be in this position they will want to be doing the job they signed up for and if the public had any sense they would be able to do so .
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Our local GP's health centre have now vaccinated all of the over 80's and vulnerable patients in their surgery.
They think they will be starting on the 65 to 80 group early February.
Numbers starting to look a bit better in our area, nearly 3 weeks after Christmas so fingers crossed it stays that way.
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Why the delay? Not having a go, but just noticed a gap and wondered why the doctors weren't just cracking on.
 
Crazyface said:
Why the delay? Not having a go, but just noticed a gap and wondered why the doctors weren't just cracking on.
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This is only a guess, but I would have thought that they have to vaccinate everyone in the higher groups nationally before they move on to the next level
 
GB72 said:
Report today on the BBC website is that compliance with this lockdown is actually at about the same levels of May, some increase in bending the rules mainly in relation to meeting outdoors but the actual picture is mainly one of compliance.
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That’s the bit that surprises me. We now know this strain is more infectious than Mack in May, but the compliance is still the same.
 
Tashyboy said:
That’s the bit that surprises me. We now know this strain is more infectious than Mack in May, but the compliance is still the same.
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Interestingly a report that the new strain may not be as infectious as first thought (could be as low as 30% as opposed to 70%). Still not great but looking at any positives.

Not sure on the point you are making. People were generally praised for the levels of compliance back in May and I think that this is a welcome survey that actually tries to counteract the media presented image of mass numbers of people totally ignoring the lockdown.
 
pauljames87 said:
However the point is the level of compliance isn't so much the issue it's the level of restrictions

Australia for example were following our model

They switched models and now they have posted 927 deaths throughout covid I believe it was

How many is ours now? That's just our daily recently which is depressing
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I don’t think you can compare countries when looking at how each has dealt with the virus

Each county has different make ups - land size , population density , working patterns etc etc

So many different variables hence why I don’t believe there is a one size fits all
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I don’t think you can compare countries when looking at how each has dealt with the virus

Each county has different make ups - land size , population density , working patterns etc etc

So many different variables hence why I don’t believe there is a one size fits all
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Whilst I agree in parts .. the irony is one hard lockdown would have cost the economy less overall than these little and often ones we are at now and our numbers wouldn't be so out of control

Not closing international arrivals straight away was a massive error
 
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