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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

HomerJSimpson said:
Had something early in 2020 that knocked me off my feet and then something else that resulted in me getting medically suspended and having two tests (one inconclusive, second negative) but definitely wondering what it all was. Like you another negative result would definitely increase anxiety
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Not having a go here Homer. Is a general point ?

Have seen / heard lots of people say they had something bad in the last 6 months. Then speculating C19 was going round earlier / theyve had it so now they might be immune and so on.

I did too, took me ages to shake off. But I'm not going to speculate it was C19. As far as I'm concerned I've not had C19 until a test proves +ve.

Why I / anyone else would speculate about something so serious is something I find really strange.
 
Been called in for a C19 test next week as part of pre assesment for hospital outpatient appointment week after. Must be extra capacity as I wasn't given this a month ago.
 
huds1475 said:
Not having a go here Homer. Is a general point ?

Have seen / heard lots of people say they had something bad in the last 6 months. Then speculating C19 was going round earlier / theyve had it so now they might be immune and so on.

I did too, took me ages to shake off. But I'm not going to speculate it was C19. As far as I'm concerned I've not had C19 until a test proves +ve.

Why I / anyone else would speculate about something so serious is something I find really strange.
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It was a general comment. A lot of our staff had said they had a bug that knocked them off their feet and more than the usual flu/winter bugs. Some have said they had it as far back as Christmas. It just seems strange that it seems to have hit so many people. I am not saying for one minute they have had it and so have any immunity. I am just saying in my case I had it recently (during the current Covid outbreak and so got swabbed - twice - and as it came back negative I have to go with it). Were I to go for the antibody test I doubt it'll come back positive and if it did the swab test was a false negative and if it didn't then I am in that catch 22 of not having it having had something equally as poky in terms of knocking me off my feet

On a more sombre note, we have been Covid free in ICU for the last five days but what we have seen in the same period is a huge increase in suicide attempts. Sad at any time that someone ends up feeling it's the only course of action (but that's a different discussion entirely) but I wonder if this is an impact of the prolonged lockdown and how it will have affected people mentally. Definitely a situation no-one will have been in before and I suppose a lot of support networks will have simply been cut-off. Definitely been a tough couple of days seeing the impact on the families but also for the nurses
 
Thank you Mr Helpful ?
I don't have that option on my phone.

*Edit*

Found it, sneaky bustards ?
At least it's disabled by default, I wonder if it automatically turns on when you enable Bluetooth. Who's going to try it? ?
 
I fail to understand why local authorities/educators are not looking at this covid school problem differently.
As an example the area where I live has five small villages each has a primary school that feeds into the secondary schools of the two nearest large towns.
All the villages has a closed village hall [and a church] so the use of at least three buildings are available.
To prevent children travelling why not educate the secondary school children in their own villages.
Instead of hundreds of children travelling you could have a small number of teachers visiting each site.
Why are we having school holidays. The kids could return throughout the summer months and catch up on lost time.
It would obviously take a certain amount of short term sorting until we start living in a safer environment.
 
huds1475 said:
Not having a go here Homer. Is a general point ?

Have seen / heard lots of people say they had something bad in the last 6 months. Then speculating C19 was going round earlier / theyve had it so now they might be immune and so on.

I did too, took me ages to shake off. But I'm not going to speculate it was C19. As far as I'm concerned I've not had C19 until a test proves +ve.

Why I / anyone else would speculate about something so serious is something I find really strange.
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As one who has said I believe it has been about for a lot longer, I know more than a few people who have had something that knocked them off their feet for a while and a family bereavement from an unidentified viral infection. The more that becomes known about Covid 19, the more the symptoms that were exhibited by these people seem to match it as a cause. I'm also becoming more & more aware of people who have tested positive for antibodies without exhibiting any symptoms.

So, if the people mentioned didn't suffer from Covid 19, that tends to suggest that immediately prior to the Covid 19 pandemic, there was a second virus doing the rounds. Yet despite all the intensive testing being done at the moment, I've seen nothing about a second virus being detected, which I would expect to be the case.

Given that, I wouldn't call it speculation, I'd call it a reasonable deduction that this has been around for longer and has been through more people as a consequence. It seems too much of a coincidence to have two different viruses of this magnitude doing the rounds at the same time, and I'm with Jack Reagan on coincidences.

As for being immune, I've got no idea if I am or I'm not so will be continuing to follow the guidelines. But as far as immunity goes, I feel that the Government should be doing more to test for antibodies because if the anecdotal evidence and the subsequent deduction are correct, we are doing a lot of shutting down for very little effect; horses and locked stable doors and all that.
 
Blue in Munich said:
As one who has said I believe it has been about for a lot longer, I know more than a few people who have had something that knocked them off their feet for a while and a family bereavement from an unidentified viral infection. The more that becomes known about Covid 19, the more the symptoms that were exhibited by these people seem to match it as a cause. I'm also becoming more & more aware of people who have tested positive for antibodies without exhibiting any symptoms.

So, if the people mentioned didn't suffer from Covid 19, that tends to suggest that immediately prior to the Covid 19 pandemic, there was a second virus doing the rounds. Yet despite all the intensive testing being done at the moment, I've seen nothing about a second virus being detected, which I would expect to be the case.

Given that, I wouldn't call it speculation, I'd call it a reasonable deduction that this has been around for longer and has been through more people as a consequence. It seems too much of a coincidence to have two different viruses of this magnitude doing the rounds at the same time, and I'm with Jack Reagan on coincidences.

As for being immune, I've got no idea if I am or I'm not so will be continuing to follow the guidelines. But as far as immunity goes, I feel that the Government should be doing more to test for antibodies because if the anecdotal evidence and the subsequent deduction are correct, we are doing a lot of shutting down for very little effect; horses and locked stable doors and all that.
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I think its a wait and see, if a test hasn't confirmed it. For example, the flu that people had across the winter of 2018/2019 could have been any one of 3 different flu's that were prevalent back then.

Many of us hope we've had it, following being floored in Jan/Feb, but the results that are starting to appear suggest that it might have been something else.
 
Hobbit said:
I think its a wait and see, if a test hasn't confirmed it. For example, the flu that people had across the winter of 2018/2019 could have been any one of 3 different flu's that were prevalent back then.

Many of us hope we've had it, following being floored in Jan/Feb, but the results that are starting to appear suggest that it might have been something else.
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I agree it's a wait & see Brian, and I understand that it might be something else, but I find it too much of a coincidence that if it was something else that the testing hasn't somehow identified that. I hope I'm right but I fully accept that there may yet be another explanation that proves me wrong. But the longer the testing goes on without identifying a second virus or an alternative cause (assuming that it can), I think the more people will hope that it is the case that Covid 19 has been around longer. and that we are further through this than is currently thought.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Has Covid 19 forced you to wear a mask and glasses at the same time?

If so, you could be entitled to condensation...
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Not your best.

It has been a real pain especially when we were using FFP3 as we had to get the seal right so the glasses didn't steam up. The surgical masks are a bit better but can still get the odd foggy moment. It's mandatory for staff to wear a mask at all times when in the hospital unless SD can be maintained (I'm in an office on my own so it comes off - biggest problem is remembering to put it back on when I leave the office).

Seems there is no let up in suicides coming in. Another admitted today. All very sad and strange to see so many in such a condensed space of time
 
Hobbit said:
I think its a wait and see, if a test hasn't confirmed it. For example, the flu that people had across the winter of 2018/2019 could have been any one of 3 different flu's that were prevalent back then.

Many of us hope we've had it, following being floored in Jan/Feb, but the results that are starting to appear suggest that it might have been something else.
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Blue in Munich said:
I agree it's a wait & see Brian, and I understand that it might be something else, but I find it too much of a coincidence that if it was something else that the testing hasn't somehow identified that. I hope I'm right but I fully accept that there may yet be another explanation that proves me wrong. But the longer the testing goes on without identifying a second virus or an alternative cause (assuming that it can), I think the more people will hope that it is the case that Covid 19 has been around longer. and that we are further through this than is currently thought.
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  • The lass and I were both ill at the end of January with flu-type illness - I was in bed for 2 days - I've never had clinical flu before - and I'm rarely ill
  • Obviously being in Bergamo we were both at risk of catching Covid - a number of family members and friends did (and worse)
  • We both isolated +++ -and did all the preventive practices - lass never went out for 10 weeks
  • We both got antibody tests 2 weeks ago - negative / no trace - so In January its likely it was flu - there was a virulent flu strain in Northern Italy in Dec/Jan

BIM - RE tests [BTW much of my past work has been in flu vaccines and surveillance]
  • The testing cannot and does not look for anything except for Covid - the swap test for new tests specifically looks for protein sequences that are unique to covid
  • The antibody tests also specifically look for Covid antibodies
  • Looking for active influenza is a completely different test - as is looking for antibodies to see if you have had flu (of various strains)
  • The challenge in flu is that you may have had past infection (from last year or a couple of years ago) and still have antibodies

So - My take
  1. In Italy (and UK)- anything before Feb/March is more likely to be flu
  2. Testing otherwise is not being done (and in practical terms cannot be done) - due to logistics and cost

The good news in general is that across Europe including the UK - the picture is far better - we are over the worst IMO and theres no real signal of a resurgence
Its uncertain what may happen later in the year mind, but hopefully the virus may have died down in transmission and virulence (that happens with corona vs)
 
I see the numbers in Germany maybe going in the wrong direction again :( Their R rate for the last 4 days is now 2.88 and for the last 7 days to 2.03 albeit it seems to be down to a few regional outbreaks rather than countrywide
 
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