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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

drive4show said:
Those particular pictures were from the May BH weekend however it has been like that every weekend since as we have been enjoying great weather.
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OK, that was over 3 weeks ago, there has been no rise in infections in the area and so there would not appear to be an issue. As I mentioned above, maybe the risks posed to those outside, social distancing or not, are actually less than originally perceived and we need further relaxation in that area.

What it does show is that your assumption that these actions will result in an increase in infections is clearly incorrect as these actions were taken 3 weeks ago and there has been no increase and so their impact has been minimal. Hopefully instances like these will show a reduced risk associated with outdoor activity and so people can actually be encouraged to go to the beach, have some form of basic holiday time and also get some money back into the coastal communities.
 
GB72 said:
OK, that was over 3 weeks ago, there has been no rise in infections in the area and so there would not appear to be an issue. As I mentioned above, maybe the risks posed to those outside, social distancing or not, are actually less than originally perceived and we need further relaxation in that area.

What it does show is that your assumption that these actions will result in an increase in infections is clearly incorrect as these actions were taken 3 weeks ago and there has been no increase and so their impact has been minimal. Hopefully instances like these will show a reduced risk associated with outdoor activity and so people can actually be encouraged to go to the beach, have some form of basic holiday time and also get some money back into the coastal communities.
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What about the increases in the areas those people have travelled from? Most locals stayed away, we are not as stupid as the incomers but people working in the shops, cafes etc will have been put at risk and spread the virus around their families. If everyone isolated then there would be no new infections but there are so clearly people have not followed the guidelines.
 
drive4show said:
What about the increases in the areas those people have travelled from? Most locals stayed away, we are not as stupid as the incomers but people working in the shops, cafes etc will have been put at risk and spread the virus around their families. If everyone isolated then there would be no new infections but there are so clearly people have not followed the guidelines.
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No increase on a national level either. No risk to shops, cafes etc on the bank holiday weekend as all would have still be closed and under lockdown. You want lockdown to continue, that is clear and I suspect that you are in an enviable position of being able to sit this out for as long as possible. I am on the other side of things. We have stopped the NHS getting swamped (which was the aim, the aim was never to stop everyone getting it), the government has paid out what it can afford but now people need to start getting the economy moving and getting on with their lives. You show concern for shopkeepers and cafe owners. If you are in a coastal community reliant on visitors, those businesses will not exist if they cannot open soon. All of the evidence suggests that the crowded beaches that you point out have had no detrimental and so the government and local authorities should be encouraging more people to head to them. Get the caravan sites and camp sites open.

With no real chance of foreign travel, if you live on the coast, I would be prepared for a prolonged and very busy period of people coming to the coast for some form of break and I am all for it. People reliant on tourists have lost a load already and I am glad that they will get the chance to recoup some losses.
 
GB72 said:
No increase on a national level either. No risk to shops, cafes etc on the bank holiday weekend as all would have still be closed and under lockdown. You want lockdown to continue, that is clear and I suspect that you are in an enviable position of being able to sit this out for as long as possible. I am on the other side of things. We have stopped the NHS getting swamped (which was the aim, the aim was never to stop everyone getting it), the government has paid out what it can afford but now people need to start getting the economy moving and getting on with their lives. You show concern for shopkeepers and cafe owners. If you are in a coastal community reliant on visitors, those businesses will not exist if they cannot open soon. All of the evidence suggests that the crowded beaches that you point out have had no detrimental and so the government and local authorities should be encouraging more people to head to them. Get the caravan sites and camp sites open.

With no real chance of foreign travel, if you live on the coast, I would be prepared for a prolonged and very busy period of people coming to the coast for some form of break and I am all for it. People reliant on tourists have lost a load already and I am glad that they will get the chance to recoup some losses.
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I am not reliant on tourism, I work in a completely different sector so it actually doesn't affect me at all. However, I am very glad to read your words of comfort, it doesn't appear that Covid is an issue then if what you say is correct. I'm pleased about that, means we can get back to crowds at sporting events, concerts etc. Happy days :)
 
drive4show said:
I am not reliant on tourism, I work in a completely different sector so it actually doesn't affect me at all. However, I am very glad to read your words of comfort, it doesn't appear that Covid is an issue then if what you say is correct. I'm pleased about that, means we can get back to crowds at sporting events, concerts etc. Happy days :)
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I did not say that you were reliant on toursim but hundreds of people in your area will be and they need people to start coming back and spending money. Yes, I am very much of the opinion that we cannot hide from this forever, it is not going away and so we have to learn to live with it. Staying locked up is not going to do that. We have had a number of very public breaches by crowds of accepted protocol but, rather than criticise them (as I said on previous posts, I will not do that until I know the circustance of those involved. You can bet, for example, that if I lived in a cramped urban environment, I would be off to the nearest beach or park every chance I could), I am looking at the positives and every one of these as been an impromptu test. The VE parties did nothing, the may bank holiday did nothing, the hot June weekend did nothing and so I am hard pressed to find the arguments against these aside from people being selfish and not wanting outsiders in their part of the country, we get that in rural lincolnshire as well.
 
GB72 said:
I did not say that you were reliant on toursim but hundreds of people in your area will be and they need people to start coming back and spending money. Yes, I am very much of the opinion that we cannot hide from this forever, it is not going away and so we have to learn to live with it. Staying locked up is not going to do that. We have had a number of very public breaches by crowds of accepted protocol but, rather than criticise them (as I said on previous posts, I will not do that until I know the circustance of those involved. You can bet, for example, that if I lived in a cramped urban environment, I would be off to the nearest beach or park every chance I could), I am looking at the positives and every one of these as been an impromptu test. The VE parties did nothing, the may bank holiday did nothing, the hot June weekend did nothing and so I am hard pressed to find the arguments against these aside from people being selfish and not wanting outsiders in their part of the country, we get that in rural lincolnshire as well.
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To point out the rather obvious - we actually don't know this for a fact as we do not know what the situation would have been had these events not taken place.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
To point out the rather obvious - we actually don't know this for a fact as we do not know what the situation would have been had these events not taken place.
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Fair point and accepted on that count but we can also say that it has not shown an increase in infection levels to the extent that we have seen the early stages of a second spike. With the relaxations from a couple of weeks ago, I would have even taken a relative plateau as an OK outcome.
 
drive4show said:
Dorset and Cornwall now have the highest rate of new infections in the UK. Thanks everybody for piling down here at weekends and ignoring advice to stay safe, we really appreciate it :rolleyes:
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Sorry, but am calling BS on this. Up until the last few weeks every thing was shut, so the opportunity to mix it with the locals, unless they infringed social distancing, was zero.
Since the last few weeks, there have been a few ice-cream/coffee/ chip suppliers open. Probably half what would normally be open. With social distancing, contact less payment, no toilets.
Most of the people servicing said establishments are teenagers, who have been stepping back, obeying the rules, and are in a demographic unlikely to catch it.
Given the number of outlets open, we are probably talking less than 50 locals working in hospitality exposed, possibly.
Most of the people on the beaches came from somewhere else. If there was a bounce, I would not expect it to be local, more where ever these people came from.
If it was local, then it was there already.
 
murphthemog said:
Sorry, but am calling BS on this. Up until the last few weeks every thing was shut, so the opportunity to mix it with the locals, unless they infringed social distancing, was zero.
Since the last few weeks, there have been a few ice-cream/coffee/ chip suppliers open. Probably half what would normally be open. With social distancing, contact less payment, no toilets.
Most of the people servicing said establishments are teenagers, who have been stepping back, obeying the rules, and are in a demographic unlikely to catch it.
Given the number of outlets open, we are probably talking less than 50 locals working in hospitality exposed, possibly.
Most of the people on the beaches came from somewhere else. If there was a bounce, I would not expect it to be local, more where ever these people came from.
If it was local, then it was there already.
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You're not helping by coming down at weekends either.
 
GB72 said:
Fair point and accepted on that count but we can also say that it has not shown an increase in infection levels to the extent that we have seen the early stages of a second spike. With the relaxations from a couple of weeks ago, I would have even taken a relative plateau as an OK outcome.
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One of the worst, publicised, breaches on VE Day was in Middlesbrough. Middlesbrough is currently showing as one of the worst areas for new infections. Is there a correlation? I don't know but its not something that can should ignored.

Beijing is experiencing a nasty spike. Madrid saw new infections double yesterday. Madrid isn't even in phase 3 of unlock yet. The bars were opened to live entertainment at the weekend, but no dancing allowed - that lasted all of 30 mins before several bars had wall to wall dancing. Several bars have already gone to the wall, and opening up has to happen but there must be some control to it.
 
Hobbit said:
One of the worst, publicised, breaches on VE Day was in Middlesbrough. Middlesbrough is currently showing as one of the worst areas for new infections. Is there a correlation? I don't know but its not something that can should ignored.

Beijing is experiencing a nasty spike. Madrid saw new infections double yesterday. Madrid isn't even in phase 3 of unlock yet. The bars were opened to live entertainment at the weekend, but no dancing allowed - that lasted all of 30 mins before several bars had wall to wall dancing. Several bars have already gone to the wall, and opening up has to happen but there must be some control to it.
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Not to sure on the data for what you say above but from here :-

https://www.getthedata.com/covid-19/middlesbrough-coronavirus-cases

They had 4 new infection cases in the last week and 9 cases in the previous week. A dropping rate of new cases but tbh Fairly low in absolute cases so hard to draw any conclusions from or percentage comparison.

There is also a summary infections per region given here, for a comparison :-

https://www.getthedata.com/covid-19/utla-by-day

Wish where I lived was dropping like that, Shropshire had 9 new cases yesterday and 23 in the last week and shropshire is fairly rural :(

And totally agree we need to be very careful with relaxations.
 
Mmmm.....
Mrs Imurg had the antibody test at work this week as they're rolling it out to all NHS..
Results have come back negative....
So what the hell did we both have in late March that put me in a chair for a couple of days and her for almost a week..?
Anxiety levels have risen a touch as a result.......
 
Imurg said:
Mmmm.....
Mrs Imurg had the antibody test at work this week as they're rolling it out to all NHS..
Results have come back negative....
So what the hell did we both have in late March that put me in a chair for a couple of days and her for almost a week..?
Anxiety levels have risen a touch as a result.......
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Not had the test for exactly that reason. Had something early in 2020 that knocked me off my feet and then something else that resulted in me getting medically suspended and having two tests (one inconclusive, second negative) but definitely wondering what it all was. Like you another negative result would definitely increase anxiety
 
Imurg said:
Mmmm.....
Mrs Imurg had the antibody test at work this week as they're rolling it out to all NHS..
Results have come back negative....
So what the hell did we both have in late March that put me in a chair for a couple of days and her for almost a week..?
Anxiety levels have risen a touch as a result.......
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What are the chances of a false negative? Wasn't one of the tests accurate to 99% in that it wouldn't give a false positive but much less accurate in terms of giving a false negative?
 
ColchesterFC said:
What are the chances of a false negative? Wasn't one of the tests accurate to 99% in that it wouldn't give a false positive but much less accurate in terms of giving a false negative?
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Not sure but they're supposed to be pretty accurate
Of course, no antibodies = no immunity
Great..
 
ColchesterFC said:
What are the chances of a false negative? Wasn't one of the tests accurate to 99% in that it wouldn't give a false positive but much less accurate in terms of giving a false negative?
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A colleague's daughters is a geneticist in Liverpool, her department have dropped their usual work to do some of these Covid tests. She was saying you need to have three tests to be 100% sure of a truly accurate result.
 
The local Car Boot Sale being open from this Sunday! I don’t go, I won’t go, but in normal times it causes chaos on local roads and when driving past it is normally rammed like a cattle market.
Why the Council has allowed this is beyond me! Absolute breeding ground for the virus.
 
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