PNWokingham
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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?
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ah. Potential. There are a lot of those in life!
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
There are a lot of 'Bigs' as well but who's boasting.
Keep up. I explained in #26,105
Swango1980
Well-known member
This debate stemmed from the suggestion that going for a walk was better than playing golf solo (which is essentially going for a walk as well) in terms of managing Covid risks.
I don't get the argument,not at all. After the very first lockdown the safest I felt when leaving the house was on a golf course, playing with another person (or people when 4 balls were allowed again). Going for walks meant I had to walk long streets, squeeze past other oncoming pedestrians and get to busy parks. Don't get me wrong, I didn't feel in great danger at all, but on the golf course you basically eliminated 99% of potential, and inevitable interactions compared for going for a walk.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Again: It's not a good idea to drive if you have Covid ( Already explained why)
There's no problem with playing golf on a course on your own if you have Covid, if you are well enough. The problem is if you are faced with situations where you will come into contact with others (I've already explained why)
There is a big difference with a well person driving or playing golf to a Covid infected person doing these things. If you disagree and wish to continue discussing it with me then explain exactly how the objections I have posted are wrong.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
I'm infectious and I'm staying at home until I'm not infectious. No problem or dilemma for me.
Two years ago we all were staying at home when not infectious. I saw the sense in that at the time.
I caught chicken pox in my 40s. Stayed at home for 9 days that time.
Doing the sensible thing and acting responsibly seems quite an easy decision to me.
Two years ago we all were staying at home when not infectious. I saw the sense in that at the time.
I caught chicken pox in my 40s. Stayed at home for 9 days that time.
Doing the sensible thing and acting responsibly seems quite an easy decision to me.
HeftyHacker
Well-known member
Well having moderately ropey for a couple of days I finally tested positive yesterday.
This is the second time I've had it (first was in Sept 2020) but it does feel different this time. Eyes streaming and can't stop sneezing, I genuinely thought I had hay-fever! Also very lethargic and achy which was my experience last time as well.
I was provided a good few LFTs through work so can keep taking them until I get my two negatives.
Didn't really want to comment on the debate above but people are very selective in their facts and figures in what is largely very subjective.
For me personally, if I felt the need to leave the house for exercise the safest thing I could do would be going the golf club. Not the busiest of clubs, I know full well my mates wouldn't be there and wanting to chat and going on what is essentially a one way walk is the easiest way to avoid close contact with others. Plus I'd be in a car there and back.
If I was to go for a walk from my house I reckon I'd be in close contact with somebody within about 3 minutes.
You can talk about potential interactions (crash car etc) but that could literally happen anywhere so if you do need to leave the house then choose the path of least risk. Hell, with the dizzy spells I've been getting i could fall down the stairs and end up in the back of an ambulance endangering others without even leaving the house!
This is the second time I've had it (first was in Sept 2020) but it does feel different this time. Eyes streaming and can't stop sneezing, I genuinely thought I had hay-fever! Also very lethargic and achy which was my experience last time as well.
I was provided a good few LFTs through work so can keep taking them until I get my two negatives.
Didn't really want to comment on the debate above but people are very selective in their facts and figures in what is largely very subjective.
For me personally, if I felt the need to leave the house for exercise the safest thing I could do would be going the golf club. Not the busiest of clubs, I know full well my mates wouldn't be there and wanting to chat and going on what is essentially a one way walk is the easiest way to avoid close contact with others. Plus I'd be in a car there and back.
If I was to go for a walk from my house I reckon I'd be in close contact with somebody within about 3 minutes.
You can talk about potential interactions (crash car etc) but that could literally happen anywhere so if you do need to leave the house then choose the path of least risk. Hell, with the dizzy spells I've been getting i could fall down the stairs and end up in the back of an ambulance endangering others without even leaving the house!
Swango1980
Well-known member
I don't disagree with your middle paragraph. I was simply responding to your last point in 26125, but it was also a response to Foxholer's comment in 26121, that suggested going for a walk was more controllable than playing golf.
Firstly, was it suggested that the chap had to drive to the golf club? I can't remember and not scrolling back that far.
Secondly, what are the chances he will break down? Touch wood, I've personally never broken down or been in an accident in over 20 years of driving, so I reckon it presents a ridiculously small risk. Even if it happened, I'd imagine the AA or RAC guy who comes to rescue would be mainly focusing on the engine, outdoors. If they need to get in driving seat, open windows, bring hand sanitizer, or mitigate in whatever other way you can think off.
Forgetting golf, if an infected person was going for a walk and had a choice of walking directly from their house, on a busy street, along other busy streets; or they could get in their car and drive a mile to.a virtually empty field for their walk, then I suspect the second option would present lesser risk overall.
No one said any option presents zero risk, well I didn't. But I'm assuming when the question was asked about playing golf, the intention wasn't to have a big chat with anyone in the car park or go into the club house to meet people. Just like if they went for a walk instead, they'd have no intention of chatting to their neighbours or anyone else they come across.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
The nature of the beast at the moment as it runs riot through localities is that many will be becoming infected - we know that to be the case from numbers being admitted into hospital. Many will be asymptomatic and so not know; many will have symptoms but no tests available to them so continuing as normal if they feel able; and many will be off work - causing their work problems.
I know that one of our local Waitrose has staffing issues as so many off sick; and a local restaurant chain asked a neighbour to go to work before she was ‘formally’ cleared by self-testing as the restaurant was thinking it would have to shut due to staff off sick. And freely available LF tests stop on 1st April - though i haven’t been able to order any this week online. How is this going to work…I am not sure I have a clear picture. Hope for hot weather I guess.
I know that one of our local Waitrose has staffing issues as so many off sick; and a local restaurant chain asked a neighbour to go to work before she was ‘formally’ cleared by self-testing as the restaurant was thinking it would have to shut due to staff off sick. And freely available LF tests stop on 1st April - though i haven’t been able to order any this week online. How is this going to work…I am not sure I have a clear picture. Hope for hot weather I guess.
Totally agree.
As for the “but what happens if you get run over by a bus” brigade, ignore them. If you subscribe to that point of view you’ll never leave the house again, Covid or no Covid.
Pathetic Shark
Tour Rookie
Just like Homer posted, it is pretty ironic that the one person who has been bleating, moaning and complaining about other people's behaviour over the past two years, is prepared to do whatever he thinks is right for himself.
Tashyboy
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No I wouldn’t Go for a walk. And there in lies the problem of why COVID is rising again, but as you say you saw no danger. You say danger is indoors and not outside, yet folk with Covid Do not stay indoors.
Tashyboy
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# overreaction ?i guess you will be hibernating until 2030! There is risk in everything in life. Some risks are very small and therefore, perfectly acceptable. Like driving on your own in your own car round the corner to the golf club, parking on your own in a largely empty car park, walking on your own to the tee and having a game on your own. As mentioned a few times, there is more risk going for a walk round the stretts or parks - and that risk is also almost negligible unless you are ahead.
HeftyHacker
Well-known member
I just ordered some LFTs off the gov.uk website this morning ?
hovis
Tour Winner
I wonder if some of the people still advocating complete isolation have ever gone to the shops with a cold or flue? Ever drove home from the pub after 1 or two pints. Drove home when shattered after a long day at work or back from the airport after a long flight.
We all knowingly or unknowingly do things that put other people at risk. The question is how much of a risk is covid? We can't continue to lock ourselves away when we have covid but pop to the shops when you have cold or flue!!
Let's face it, covid is just that for the overwhelming majority of people now vacines have been roled out.
I played golf with my pp last week who had covid. I just stayed away from him.
I would rather play golf with someone who has covid than shop at tesco with 10 people who don't know they have covid
We all knowingly or unknowingly do things that put other people at risk. The question is how much of a risk is covid? We can't continue to lock ourselves away when we have covid but pop to the shops when you have cold or flue!!
Let's face it, covid is just that for the overwhelming majority of people now vacines have been roled out.
I played golf with my pp last week who had covid. I just stayed away from him.
I would rather play golf with someone who has covid than shop at tesco with 10 people who don't know they have covid
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Tashyboy
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Me I am not advocating complete isolation, the gov has said you can go out after so many days of testing negative. Now its you can go out With COVID. I get that. If you are desperate for medicines like me dad was, I could fetch it. But mum decided a trip to the chemist when she has COVID was the better option. Her walk outside ended up inside. Now factor in me dads Luekemia, heart probs, COPD. And it’s not one shoe fits all scenario.
I think SILH situation has been talked to death. We all have our thoughts and time to move on.
Now waiting for SILHs post on “I played today “ ?
Tashyboy
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Just tried but it won’t let me
Foxholer
Blackballed
Now that IS irresponsible imo!
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I hope that you are not referring to me because if you are then you are mistaken…and if you think that only one person has been asking for a different approach than that now being followed…then you are also very mistaken. But hey…any opportunity to have a dig eh!?
My concerns throughout this ‘opening up‘ have always and only been about how the most vulnerable can be supported with the virus running uncontrolled through communities. And any who think that that is bleating and moaning should give their head a good wobble.
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SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Didn’t happen yesterday and won’t happen today as I’m still testing positive.
Ethan
Money List Winner
Wow, this one is running and running.
I am an advocate of cautious public health measures and support masks indoors and all the rest. But from the start, there has been a failure on the part of those setting policy to adequately differentiate between risks indoors and risks outdoors. We had the ridiculous sight of the cops harassing people walking on desolate windswept moors in Derbyshire.
We now know that the risks of transmission outdoors are very much lower than indoors. Unless someone coughs in your face, that risk is effectively negligible. That risk is no greater if you are carrying a bag of Mizunos and trying to get your Pro V1 round the course. As for the risk of inadvertently coming into contact with others if you break down on the way there or back, I can't remember the last time my car broke down. I don't think modern cars break down, so maybe just don't drive in your 1970s Morris Marina.
I don't think it is unreasonable for someone to play golf while exercising caution over contact with others.
I am an advocate of cautious public health measures and support masks indoors and all the rest. But from the start, there has been a failure on the part of those setting policy to adequately differentiate between risks indoors and risks outdoors. We had the ridiculous sight of the cops harassing people walking on desolate windswept moors in Derbyshire.
We now know that the risks of transmission outdoors are very much lower than indoors. Unless someone coughs in your face, that risk is effectively negligible. That risk is no greater if you are carrying a bag of Mizunos and trying to get your Pro V1 round the course. As for the risk of inadvertently coming into contact with others if you break down on the way there or back, I can't remember the last time my car broke down. I don't think modern cars break down, so maybe just don't drive in your 1970s Morris Marina.
I don't think it is unreasonable for someone to play golf while exercising caution over contact with others.