Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Swango1980]

Not twaddle at all. I'd suggest that the number of times (3?) you've had it - and quite possibly passed it on - is directly related to your laissez faire approach to the risk.
It shouldn't be a problem. But the possibility exists for accidental interaction, so the totally avoidable risk is too great imo. If it's exercise that's wanted, simply go for a walk - where interation can be controlled.
It would likely be ok for you though. Even in a 4-ball as you are miles away from others except on Tees and Greens!

How can interaction be controlled when out for a walk, but not on golf course?

When out for a walk, a person is likely to get close to many people, especially on a nice sunny day when many more are having a walk. Even in a park, you'll inevitably get within close range to other walkers from time to time.

In a golf course, you should at least be half a hole from any other group of people. So, you are effectively going out for a walk in a massive park, with relatively very few people on it and all spaced out. You just happen to be hitting a golf ball about while you do it.

 

[Foxholer]

How can interaction be controlled when out for a walk, but not on golf course?

When out for a walk, a person is likely to get close to many people, especially on a nice sunny day when many more are having a walk. Even in a park, you'll inevitably get within close range to other walkers from time to time.

In a golf course, you should at least be half a hole from any other group of people. So, you are effectively going out for a walk in a massive park, with relatively very few people on it and all spaced out. You just happen to be hitting a golf ball about while you do it.

I didn't suggest that it wasn't (almost) controllable at/on a golf course, simply that it's (almost) totally controllable when walking.
There are other areas at a golf course (car park etc) where contact, therefore possible transmission, is possible; almost none (that can't be avoided) when simply out walking. I've walked a lot in local park(s) recently (good for my 'new' hip) and not been in close range to others at all.

 

[PNWokingham]

Not twaddle at all. I'd suggest that the number of times (3?) you've had it - and quite possibly passed it on - is directly related to your laissez faire approach to the risk.
It shouldn't be a problem. But the possibility exists for accidental interaction, so the totally avoidable risk is too great imo. If it's exercise that's wanted, simply go for a walk - where interaction can be controlled.
It would likely be ok for you though. Even in a 4-ball as you are miles away from others except on Tees and Greens!

What utter shiiiite. You know nothing about what I have done when I have had it and you tbink I could have passed it on due to a Lax attitude - what a sanctimonious attitude. Back in your box. I am perfectly able to control interactions going for a walk in the open air where risk is miniscule. There will likely be tens of thousands who are doing far more and don't even k ow they have it. And, to repeat, less chance of those interactions on the golf course than in the park or on the streets

 

[Foxholer]

What utter shiiiite. You know nothing about what I have done when I have had it and you tbink I could have passed it on due to a Lax attitude - what a sanctimonious attitude. Back in your box. I am perfectly able to control interactions going for a walk in the open air where risk is miniscule. There will likely be tens of thousands who are doing far more and don't even k ow they have it. And, to repeat, less chance of those interactions on the golf course than in the park or on the streets

To me, your entire argument is tainted by the fact that you've caught it multiple times while 'preaching' a 'let's get on with life' to dealing with it. I'd sooner avoid avoidable risk where it's easy/practical to do. If you consider that sanctimonious, fine... I don't!
I agree re the 'tens of thousands' btw, but that's irrelevant to the discussion, as they are, imo, completely avoidable in a park and likely (but less so) avoidable at a golf course or on the streets.

Oh and FWIW, it appears that the dominant variant is now Omicron BA-2 - even more transmissable than BA-1, though with similar (lower than previous variants) likelihood of need for hospitalisation.

 

[PNWokingham]

To me, your entire argument is tainted by the fact that you've caught it multiple times while 'preaching' a 'let's get on with life' to dealing with it. I'd sooner avoid avoidable risk where it's easy/practical to do. If you consider that sanctimonious, fine... I don't!
I agree re the 'tens of thousands' btw, but that's irrelevant to the discussion, as they are, imo, completely avoidable in a park and likely (but less so) avoidable at a golf course or on the streets.

Firstly, I have had it twice. Once in the last 16 months - and i have partied in busy pubs etc all the time i have been allowed to. And that is utterly irrelevant to the question asked. This is not about me yet you turned it that way. My attitude about living with it also has nothing to do with it. I used my judgement about what i did with covid this time - and that meant avoiding people inside. And that is how i chose to live with ity - and when i don't have it, i live the same as i did before covid.

My argument is based on logic. Being outside and not near other people = next to no risk. And can't be bothered replying to you anymore repeating the point again

 

[SocketRocket]

What utter shiiiite. You know nothing about what I have done when I have had it and you tbink I could have passed it on due to a Lax attitude - what a sanctimonious attitude. Back in your box. I am perfectly able to control interactions going for a walk in the open air where risk is miniscule. There will likely be tens of thousands who are doing far more and don't even k ow they have it. And, to repeat, less chance of those interactions on the golf course than in the park or on the streets

If you have to drive to get somewhere while you have Covid you are putting others at a potential risk. At a Golf course there is also potential risk of coming into close contact with others, not necessarily by being in the open air but others don't know you have it, what do you do if someone approaches you, shout out "Keep away I have Covid". Just like driving something can go wrong, you could injure yourself, be hit with a golf ball etc. IMHO visiting a golf course or anywhere else where you need to drive or could be in any reasonable danger of injury then you shouldn't be doing it. OK, a walk from your house in an open environment where you can avoid others presents a lesser risk.

 

[PNWokingham]

If you have to drive to get somewhere while you have Covid you are putting others at a potential risk. At a Golf course there is also potential risk of coming into close contact with others, not necessarily by being in the open air but others don't know you have it, what do you do if someone approaches you, shout out "Keep away I have Covid". Just like driving something can go wrong, you could injure yourself, be hit with a golf ball etc. IMHO visiting a golf course or anywhere else where you need to drive or could be in any reasonable danger of injury then you shouldn't be doing it. OK, a walk from your house in an open environment where you can avoid others presents a lesser risk.

i guess you will be hibernating until 2030! There is risk in everything in life. Some risks are very small and therefore, perfectly acceptable. Like driving on your own in your own car round the corner to the golf club, parking on your own in a largely empty car park, walking on your own to the tee and having a game on your own. As mentioned a few times, there is more risk going for a walk round the stretts or parks - and that risk is also almost negligible unless you are a head.

 

[Foxholer]

Firstly, I have had it twice. Once in the last 16 months - and i have partied in busy pubs etc all the time i have been allowed to. And that is utterly irrelevant to the question asked. This is not about me yet you turned it that way. My attitude about living with it also has nothing to do with it. I used my judgement about what i did with covid this time - and that meant avoiding people inside. And that is how i chose to live with ity - and when i don't have it, i live the same as i did before covid.

My argument is based on logic. Being outside and not near other people = next to no risk. And can't be bothered replying to you anymore repeating the point again

So you agree/admit to having had it multiple times. I haven't had it at all, having even avoided catching it from a workmate who came to work the day before Xmas and was the likely spreader to the rest of the workplace!

My argument is also based on logic...just different to yours!

 

[Swinglowandslow]

So you would also not go for a walk? Probably, in fact almost certainly, going to be closer to people walking the streets or leisure areas than on a near empty course in late afternoon. Nor having prescribed rules meaning using common sense not being a hermit for the sake of it. I went out walking every day with covid a couple of weeks back and walked past plenty of people a yard or so away but I saw no danger in that and I think any experts would agree. Danger is indoors not outside

You are ignoring the point that something could happen outside your control whereby you have to be in close contact with someone else. As SR suggests.
We are talking about someone who isn't possibly/probably Covid positive but who is definitely positive.
If he isolates then no one can be made positive by him.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

i guess you will be hibernating until 2030! There is risk in everything in life. Some risks are very small and therefore, perfectly acceptable. Like driving on your own in your own car round the corner to the golf club, parking on your own in a largely empty car park, walking on your own to the tee and having a game on your own. As mentioned a few times, there is more risk going for a walk round the stretts or parks - and that risk is also almost negligible unless you are a head.

Good Lord, we aren't talking about the risk to yourself, it's the risk to others!
Maybe small risk occurrence wise, but it is unnecessary and it is to others!
A fact you either don't see, or choose to ignore because .....?
Nah- you see it all right, I reckon you just don't care.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Interesting. So other than the lovely weather what made think what I thunked…well in my town and locality it seems that covid is rife and going through the pop. like wildfire. As a result there are likely to be dozens if not hundreds of individuals walking about town knowing or unknowingly positive but unmasked and not keeping any distance…and so any other individual in town is at quite high risk becoming infected…certainly much more likely than from me on an empty golf course. So why the heck am I depriving myself (accepting it‘s not much of a deprivation and not one I’m bothered about suffering…but I still ask myself). I might not agree with the current strategy, but it is the only one we have.

And in a weeks time free tests are vanishing…in fact I haven’t been able to order any this week. So how the heck am I supposed to test myself if I feel a bit rough and then test myself until I am clear. I fear this ‘freedom’ we have to use our common sense, and test when in doubt, is taking us down a problematic path.

I do hope that none of the above is deemed political…because it’s just real and how it is.

 

[Foxholer]

...I went out walking every day with covid a couple of weeks back and walked past plenty of people a yard or so away but I saw no danger in that and I think any experts would agree. Danger is indoors not outside

You are contradicting your previous assertions re Parks and Streets!
FWIW. Greatest danger is indoors. Being outside greatly reduces the risk of infection, but doesn't eliminate it.

 

[PNWokingham]

Good Lord, we aren't talking about the risk to yourself, it's the risk to others!
Maybe small risk occurrence wise, but it is unnecessary and it is to others!
A fact you either don't see, or choose to ignore because .....?
Nah- you see it all right, I reckon you just don't care.

What a pile of stinking manure - how dare you say i don't care. I exercise perfectly sensible judgements when i had it and what Hogie suggested was, in my opinion absolutely fine. I am not repeating myself again. We are post pandemic and need to learn to live with this disease ina pragmatic way. Being ultra cautious now is fine if you want to do that but the vast majority do not. And, being outside in low density people environments is absolutely fine. Going inside and mixing is not. My last word on this

 

[SocketRocket]

i guess you will be hibernating until 2030! There is risk in everything in life. Some risks are very small and therefore, perfectly acceptable. Like driving on your own in your own car round the corner to the golf club, parking on your own in a largely empty car park, walking on your own to the tee and having a game on your own. As mentioned a few times, there is more risk going for a walk round the stretts or parks - and that risk is also almost negligible unless you are a head.

Why do you think I will be hibernating untill 2030! I guess that's an exaggeration to help support a poor argument. I don't hibernate and if I did then I guess I'd still be out and about most of the year as that's the way hibernation works. Also I'd be approaching 92 so probably struggling to sleep for four months without getting up often for a wee. Anyhow! Back to sensible discussion without any further personal insults.

How do you know he lives around the corner from his golf club, he could live some distance. How would you be certain the car park and club was largely empty. As I've explained, driving is creating a potential risk to others. Being on a golf course playing golf is a potential risk to others. You are correct that going for a walk from your house while infectious does present a certain risk but much less than driving or playing golf.

Regarding the ? head, ?

 

[SocketRocket]

Interesting. So other than the lovely weather what made think what I thunked…well in my town and locality it seems that covid is rife and going through the pop. like wildfire. As a result there are likely to be dozens if not hundreds of individuals walking about town knowing or unknowingly positive but unmasked and not keeping any distance…and so any other individual in town is at quite high risk becoming infected…certainly much more likely than from me on an empty golf course. So why the heck am I depriving myself (accepting it‘s not much of a deprivation and not one I’m bothered about suffering…but I still ask myself). I might not agree with the current strategy, but it is the only one we have.

And in a weeks time free tests are vanishing…in fact I haven’t been able to order any this week. So how the heck am I supposed to test myself if I feel a bit rough and then test myself until I am clear. I fear this ‘freedom’ we have to use our common sense, and test when in doubt, is taking us down a problematic path.

I do hope that none of the above is deemed political…because it’s just real and how it is.

Two wrongs still don't make a right.

 

[Foxholer]

...We are post pandemic...

Utter twaddle!
It still conforms to every definition of a pandemic I've seen...'an epidemic of an infectious disease that has spread across a large region, for instance multiple continents or worldwide, affecting a substantial number of individuals'
It's just not (currently) as deadly as it has been!

 

[Swango1980]

If you have to drive to get somewhere while you have Covid you are putting others at a potential risk. At a Golf course there is also potential risk of coming into close contact with others, not necessarily by being in the open air but others don't know you have it, what do you do if someone approaches you, shout out "Keep away I have Covid". Just like driving something can go wrong, you could injure yourself, be hit with a golf ball etc. IMHO visiting a golf course or anywhere else where you need to drive or could be in any reasonable danger of injury then you shouldn't be doing it. OK, a walk from your house in an open environment where you can avoid others presents a lesser risk.

Honestly, to suggest going for a walk puts others at less risk than going to a golf course alone is crazy. It also completely depends on individual circumstances.

If you live in the wilderness, then going for a walk will likely have less potential interactions. But, if you live in a busyish neighbourhood, there could many potential interactions as soon as you step past your front gate. Getting in the car and going to a golf course solo would immediately remove those interactions. And, as already discussed, once actually walking on a golf course, you are much less likely to be near anyone compared to a busy park or busy street.

 

[SocketRocket]

Honestly, to suggest going for a walk puts others at less risk than going to a golf course alone is crazy. It also completely depends on individual circumstances.

If you live in the wilderness, then going for a walk will likely have less potential interactions. But, if you live in a busyish neighbourhood, there could many potential interactions as soon as you step past your front gate. Getting in the car and going to a golf course solo would immediately remove those interactions. And, as already discussed, once actually walking on a golf course, you are much less likely to be near anyone compared to a busy park or busy street.

You seem to have deliberately missed out the pertinent points I made about the potential dangers with driving and using a golf club. If you are infectious then you are advised to isolate and walking down busy streets and in busy parks is also risky. Did I suggest otherwise?

 

[PNWokingham]

You seem to have deliberately missed out the pertinent points I made about the potential dangers with driving and using a golf club. If you are infectious then you are advised to isolate and walking down busy streets and in busy parks is also risky. Did I suggest otherwise?

please list all these big dangers of driving alone in your car?

 

[SocketRocket]

please list all these big dangers of driving alone in your car?

I already have but I didn't 'big' it. Potential was the word.