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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

It will be interesting to see if the strategy of sticking fingers in ears and pretending it is not longer a problem works. The Deltacron variant is probably not a great concern but we will have to see if other variants emerge. The environment, with rising cases, waning immunity and a general abandonment of public health measures could be a combustible combination.
 
Ethan said:
It will be interesting to see if the strategy of sticking fingers in ears and pretending it is not longer a problem works. The Deltacron variant is probably not a great concern but we will have to see if other variants emerge. The environment, with rising cases, waning immunity and a general abandonment of public health measures could be a combustible combination.
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It's definitely for me become your actions you personally take afters depends on your job / home situation

Both our jobs want us to isolate and will pay us

Can afford to take tests and offered them via work so can still get them

Have parents local who will help pick up shopping etc if needed

If it's somebody who £20 for tests or a days pay means no food that week will they do the test or not go in?

Wife did test Thursday negative, only because she felt awful Friday did she do another
..Thursday she always tests as she works 3 days then takes girls groups etc and doesn't want to spread
 
Looks like masks on flights are on their way out, just in time for my first time off in over two and a half years. Did not fancy 9 hours on a flight with a mask on but would have done what was necessary.
 
GB72 said:
Looks like masks on flights are on their way out, just in time for my first time off in over two and a half years. Did not fancy 9 hours on a flight with a mask on but would have done what was necessary.
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Just took my first flights for two years. Despite repeated requests/warnings that masks must be worn at all times except when actively eating or drinking, there were still some not wearing. The staff never said anything directly to them even when checking their boarding passes on boarding and giving the maskless free disinfective wipes or taking drinks orders from them etc. This was our national airline.
 
Some coverage in the media of a paper in Nature showing data from the UK Biobank that brain atrophy (shrinkage) is seen in some people who had mild or symptomatic Covid. brain atrophy is a feature of neurodegenerative conditions ranging from MS to dementia.

I have previously mentioned this subclinical inflammatory change as a concern, and data exists for similar effects in the heart, kidneys and liver, and in kids in the pancreas. I suspect we are likely to see a greater incidence of premature organ failure in the population in all these categories in the short to medium term. This arises because Covid has two phases. One is the respiratory pneumonia type disease, which starts early, and the other is the inflammatory reaction that typically starts around Day 8, as a result of a mis-directed immunological response to primary infection.

The problem is that the two need not be proportional. Many patients with a severe Covid pneumonia seem to be doing OK, then deteriorate after Day 8 and end up dying of multi-organ failure. But a mild infection can result in a strong inflammatory reaction and the cytokines sent out by the immune system can damage other organs in a manner that is not immediately apparent unless an MRI or cardiac ultrasound is done. But the organ is damaged and unable to properly respond to another insult. Shane Warne recently died of a heart attack aged 52. When I was a lad, a lot of people died of heart attacks in the 50s, but in recent years that number has dropped significantly. Warne had Covid, bad enough for an ICU visit, last summer. I suspect that inflammatory cardiac damage could have contributed to his death.

This is one, but not the only, reason I think that herd immunity, learn to live with it and other 'its just a cold' ideas are dangerous and we have a possible time-bomb of pathology waiting for us.
 
Ethan said:
Some coverage in the media of a paper in Nature showing data from the UK Biobank that brain atrophy (shrinkage) is seen in some people who had mild or symptomatic Covid. brain atrophy is a feature of neurodegenerative conditions ranging from MS to dementia.

I have previously mentioned this subclinical inflammatory change as a concern, and data exists for similar effects in the heart, kidneys and liver, and in kids in the pancreas. I suspect we are likely to see a greater incidence of premature organ failure in the population in all these categories in the short to medium term. This arises because Covid has two phases. One is the respiratory pneumonia type disease, which starts early, and the other is the inflammatory reaction that typically starts around Day 8, as a result of a mis-directed immunological response to primary infection.

The problem is that the two need not be proportional. Many patients with a severe Covid pneumonia seem to be doing OK, then deteriorate after Day 8 and end up dying of multi-organ failure. But a mild infection can result in a strong inflammatory reaction and the cytokines sent out by the immune system can damage other organs in a manner that is not immediately apparent unless an MRI or cardiac ultrasound is done. But the organ is damaged and unable to properly respond to another insult. Shane Warne recently died of a heart attack aged 52. When I was a lad, a lot of people died of heart attacks in the 50s, but in recent years that number has dropped significantly. Warne had Covid, bad enough for an ICU visit, last summer. I suspect that inflammatory cardiac damage could have contributed to his death.

This is one, but not the only, reason I think that herd immunity, learn to live with it and other 'its just a cold' ideas are dangerous and we have a possible time-bomb of pathology waiting for us.
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People wonder why we have an increase in "crowd incidents" at football games etc

Everyone is happy to rush to blame the vaccine but slow to clock that it's more likely actual covid side effects
 
Ethan said:
Some coverage in the media of a paper in Nature showing data from the UK Biobank that brain atrophy (shrinkage) is seen in some people who had mild or symptomatic Covid. brain atrophy is a feature of neurodegenerative conditions ranging from MS to dementia.

I have previously mentioned this subclinical inflammatory change as a concern, and data exists for similar effects in the heart, kidneys and liver, and in kids in the pancreas. I suspect we are likely to see a greater incidence of premature organ failure in the population in all these categories in the short to medium term. This arises because Covid has two phases. One is the respiratory pneumonia type disease, which starts early, and the other is the inflammatory reaction that typically starts around Day 8, as a result of a mis-directed immunological response to primary infection.

The problem is that the two need not be proportional. Many patients with a severe Covid pneumonia seem to be doing OK, then deteriorate after Day 8 and end up dying of multi-organ failure. But a mild infection can result in a strong inflammatory reaction and the cytokines sent out by the immune system can damage other organs in a manner that is not immediately apparent unless an MRI or cardiac ultrasound is done. But the organ is damaged and unable to properly respond to another insult. Shane Warne recently died of a heart attack aged 52. When I was a lad, a lot of people died of heart attacks in the 50s, but in recent years that number has dropped significantly. Warne had Covid, bad enough for an ICU visit, last summer. I suspect that inflammatory cardiac damage could have contributed to his death.

This is one, but not the only, reason I think that herd immunity, learn to live with it and other 'its just a cold' ideas are dangerous and we have a possible time-bomb of pathology waiting for us.
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I agree. I'm also convinced that, with further recognition of the after effects of Covid (currently termed 'Long Covid'), there'll be more research and subsequent treatment of many, or at least some, of those effects.
 
Foxholer said:
I agree. I'm also convinced that, with further recognition of the after effects of Covid (currently termed 'Long Covid'), there'll be more research and subsequent treatment of many, or at least some, of those effects.
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Long Covid is probably a separate issue, more of a chronic phase following original infection, and in some people improved by vaccination, which may reset the immune system.

Subclinical damage was first observed in some US college basketball players when cardiac ultrasounds after they had an outbreak showed impairment of cardiac function. None of them had any symptoms. Some observations of higher rates of childhood Type I Diabetes (not the too many pies version) in areas of higher Covid prevalence possibly associated with pancreatic damage. Similar for brain as linked above and renal effects.

You have probably all heard of sepsis. This is usually interpreted as serious overwhelming infection, but in fact sepsis is really the same type of systemic inflammatory condition causing damage to various organs and often multi-organ failure and death. It is triggered by infection that causes an excessive immune reaction. So it is pretty similar to what can happen with Covid.
 
on my second dose of the lurgy. I guess it is omicrom. Has been like a normal flu type cold again, albeit less severe than the Delta one. I suspect the numbers of infections alluded to above are massively underestimating the numbers as most people are not reporting them - and i have heard several people say they are not even testing. I have not even looked at the numbers as they seem pointless at the moment.
 
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on my second dose of the lurgy. I guess it is omicrom. Has been like a normal flu type cold again, albeit less severe than the Delta one. I suspect the numbers of infections alluded to above are massively underestimating the numbers as most people are not reporting them - and i have heard several people say they are not even testing. I have not even looked at the numbers as they seem pointless at the moment.
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Got all the classic flu like symptoms - temperature, aches, tiredness but the LFT's say NO. Put my weekly PCR test in work in today so see what that says tomorrow
 
GB72 said:
Looks like masks on flights are on their way out, just in time for my first time off in over two and a half years. Did not fancy 9 hours on a flight with a mask on but would have done what was necessary.
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Came back from Lanzarote yesterday. I don’t get it. In the airport you have to wear masks, on the transfer bus, Masks. On the plane you don’t have to wear mask so some didn’t. Get back to East Midlands and the airport passport control was rammed.Yet 75% of folk had taken off there masks. As soon as folk are given an option. Most don’t wear. Sat on the plane and there were half a dozen folk with a nigh on constant cough.
 
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Came back from Lanzarote yesterday. I don’t get it. In the airport you have to wear masks, on the transfer bus, Masks. On the plane you don’t have to wear mask so some didn’t. Get back to East Midlands and the airport passport control was rammed.Yet 75% of folk had taken off there masks. As soon as folk are given an option. Most don’t wear. Sat on the plane and there were half a dozen folk with a nigh on constant cough.
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The mask doesn't stop you getting it, it stops you passing it on. If enough people are not wearing them then those who would normally wear them are possibly thinking "Why should I bother if they don't?" and have probably had enough of the judgemental looks they get because they are wearing a mask.
 
Blue in Munich said:
The mask doesn't stop you getting it, it stops you passing it on. If enough people are not wearing them then those who would normally wear them are possibly thinking "Why should I bother if they don't?" and have probably had enough of the judgemental looks they get because they are wearing a mask.
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The mask has a greater effect on stopping you passing it on, but it does have some effect on protecting you too.
 
Blue in Munich said:
The mask doesn't stop you getting it, it stops you passing it on. If enough people are not wearing them then those who would normally wear them are possibly thinking "Why should I bother if they don't?" and have probably had enough of the judgemental looks they get because they are wearing a mask.
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Some of those coughing were not wearing masks but wore them when they had to.
 
Blue in Munich said:
The mask doesn't stop you getting it, it stops you passing it on. If enough people are not wearing them then those who would normally wear them are possibly thinking "Why should I bother if they don't?" and have probably had enough of the judgemental looks they get because they are wearing a mask.
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I don't believe that's correct. The filtering effect will have an efficiacy breathing in and out. Also, if everyone/most are wearing them then the amount of airborne virus being transmitted will be restricted so masks will cope better with inbound filtration.
 
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pauljames87 said:
It's definitely for me become your actions you personally take afters depends on your job / home situation

Both our jobs want us to isolate and will pay us
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Just emailed my Union Rep earlier what the current policy is. All I heard was five days from my manager.

His reply was I can return in five days following a negative but can’t return until negative. Pay/Shift pay and enhancements unaffected and won’t show as sickness period.

Not a massive fan of Unions, but they have their uses for negotiating that!
 
Jamesbrown said:
Just emailed my Union Rep earlier what the current policy is. All I heard was five days from my manager.

His reply was I can return in five days following a negative but can’t return until negative. Pay/Shift pay and enhancements unaffected and won’t show as sickness period.

Not a massive fan of Unions, but they have their uses for negotiating that!
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Well it's not 5 days tho, it's a test on day 5 and 6

This 5 days was just a head line, need negative test both days 5 Nd 6 Mrs is doing her day 5 now

But yes it's good they agreed..suits companies tho. Just lose 1 person for a week or have them infect the entire staff?
 
Ah now eldest has tested positive.

Assume it's from the wife having it rather than school

Proof you can't be too careful as 2 masks, windows open , keeping away from her only worked for 5 days
 
pauljames87 said:
Well it's not 5 days tho, it's a test on day 5 and 6

This 5 days was just a head line, need negative test both days 5 Nd 6 Mrs is doing her day 5 now
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Different places seem to have different rules in place. My younger son at primary school would be allowed to return immediately after a negative test, even if that was on day three (for example) after the positive result. My older son at high school has to have negative results on day five and six to go back. Failing that it's two consecutive negative tests up to days nine and ten. Even if still testing positive on day ten he's allowed back.
 
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