Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Lord Tyrion]

... so why would anyone mention their own "considerable international expertise" in the field being discussed on said public golf forum and not expect to be challenged?

You could take it at face value? Unless posts are being made that are totally outlandish, don't think they are but it isn't my field, perhaps we should run with it?

Lots of people post of different subjects on different threads and show a level of knowledge. We don't ask for references each time.

 

[Ethan]

(1) See post 24,475 !

This is a public Golf forum and the thread is about the impact on members !
You honestly think I'm going to list the contents of confidential business reports that would potentially allow organisations to be identified just to satisfy your entrenched views.
How absurd.

OK. You posted about the unwillingness of some medics to accept your expertise. Still quite a broad generalisation.

You say it was because the 'medics' say you are not medically qualified. So the key question is whether the issue is something for which being medically qualified is an important factor. You are unwilling to give any clue what the issue is, although I should have thought there were few cases where it wasn't possible to change elements to allow the basic idea to be illustrated, but if not, nobody can judge whether your assertion is reasonable or not.

But you throw in an accusation about entrenched views. I would argue that this tiresome debate reflects your entrenched view, that (some) medics don't respect/understand your expertise. Hopefully, they, unlike us, have some idea what that is. I am sure that you considered the possibility that the problem was not their intransigence, but your own delivery.

I do have one entrenched view, and that is that people need to offer some information to enlighten their point if anybody is to make sense of them, and that is what I try to do, but then I get criticised for that too. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I am done on this one.

 

[drdel]

... so why would anyone mention their own "considerable international expertise" in the field being discussed on said public golf forum and not expect to be challenged?

Merely suggesting that its an opinion based on being around the block a few times so a bit of fact/evidence. I'm happy to be challenged and debate alternative views: however I draw the line at CV waving demands.

 

[drdel]

OK. You posted about the unwillingness of some medics to accept your expertise. Still a broad generalisation.

You say it is because they say upon are not medically qualified. So they key question is whether the issue is something for which being medically qualified is an important factor. You are unwilling to give any clue what the issue is, although I should have thought it would be possible to change elements to allow the basic idea to be illustrated, but if not, nobody can judge is your assertion is reasonable or not.

But you throw in an accusation about entrenched views. I do have one entrenched view, and that is that people need to offer some information to enlighten their point if anybody is to make sense of them, and that is what I try to do, but then I get criticised for that too. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

"Dog with bone!". I get that you don't like my opinion and that I won't alter yours. I suggest that before it gets more personal and bore others we let it lie and return the thread to its core?

 

[RichA]

You could take it at face value? Unless posts are being made that are totally outlandish, don't think they are but it isn't my field, perhaps we should run with it?

Lots of people post of different subjects on different threads and show a level of knowledge. We don't ask for references each time.

Claiming a degree of knowledge or work experience, I get. Self-proclaiming oneself as an international expert during an anonymous discussion about hospital management on a golf website, I find a bit comical.

 

[GreiginFife]

Claiming a degree of knowledge or work experience, I get. Self-proclaiming oneself as an international expert during an anonymous discussion about hospital management on a golf website, I find a bit comical.

One thing you can guarantee on a golf forum is that you'll find an expert on everything... without fail!

 

[drdel]

Claiming a degree of knowledge or work experience, I get. Self-proclaiming oneself as an international expert during an anonymous discussion about hospital management on a golf website, I find a bit comical.

For goodness sake! I have spoken and been introduced as such at a conferences eg. in the USA, Singapore, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Denmark, Canada etc and in books, editorial magazines. But let's not let the truth get in the way of a good sniping.

Pilloried for an opinion, I'm out...

 

[bobmac]

Has anyone on here who has been triple jabbed been hospitalised with Covid?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Has anyone on here who has been triple jabbed been hospitalised with Covid?

Bob,

Don't know about on here but we have 7 in ICU and 3 are currently fully vaxxed.

 

[RichA]

For goodness sake! I have spoken and been introduced as such at a conferences eg. in the USA, Singapore, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Denmark, Canada etc and in books, editorial magazines. But let's not let the truth get in the way of a good sniping.

Pilloried for an opinion, I'm out...

For balance, I never pilloried your opinion - just lightly ribbed the self-aggrandisement in its delivery.

 

[bobmac]

Bob,

Don't know about on here but we have 7 in ICU and 3 are currently fully vaxxed.

Are they in ICU because of Covid or some other reason?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Are they in ICU because of Covid or some other reason?

Yes we have 7 covid patients and of those 3 were fully jabbed. We have around 80 across the trust at the moment and latest update I had is the majority are not vaccinated or only had 1 or 2 jabs

 

[Lord Tyrion]

An interesting step from Ikea. Not sure how they can confirm who has and has not had 3 jabs but it sends out a very clear message.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59930206

 

[Foxholer]

Has anyone on here who has been triple jabbed been hospitalised with Covid?

According to this article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-hospitalisations-NOT-booster-data-shows.html
by subtraction...Over 15% of Omicron hospitalisations are 'fully jabbed', including booster.
I suspect patient age and general health influences likelihood of hospitalisation for the fully jabbed. @HomerJSimpson could likely indicate that for those in his 'care'.

 

[Blue in Munich]

An interesting step from Ikea. Not sure how they can confirm who has and has not had 3 jabs but it sends out a very clear message.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59930206

The dates of your jabs and the vaccine administered are under the Your Health section of the NHS app, so it should be easy to check.

 

[bobmac]

According to this article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-hospitalisations-NOT-booster-data-shows.html
by subtraction...Over 15% of Omicron hospitalisations are 'fully jabbed', including booster.
I suspect patient age and general health influences likelihood of hospitalisation for the fully jabbed. @HomerJSimpson could likely indicate that for those in his 'care'.

I'm not interested what the Daily Mail says.

 

[Italian outcast]

Although resident in Italy - I have been getting my vaccines in France
Received a one & done J&J in June 2021
Was called up for a Pfizer booster in November, and had that
Now - I'm being called up for a second booster in Erly Feb (which if you accept that J&J single dose is a valid Primary vaccination series - some don't, including it seems the French) mean I will have had effectively a 4th vaccine in Feb. The lass - who although Italian is resident in France just got her regular booster last week
Cant fault the French on their efforts - and will pre-empt most 'valid certificate' dates for the forseeable future [we are returning there to live in a few months anyway]

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The dates of your jabs and the vaccine administered are under the Your Health section of the NHS app, so it should be easy to check.

I understand that. Can they force employees to show them? Health workers and care workers I understand for patient reasons but this is about whether someone is entitled to sick pay or not. They must have run this past their employment specialists but even so I am surprised that they can ask for this info from their employees.

 

[Foxholer]

I'm not interested what the Daily Mail says.

I'm somewhat surprised at that! I'm much the same with their 'opinions' but I've found their verifiable facts to be reliable, if 'selective'!

 

[ColchesterFC]

I understand that. Can they force employees to show them? Health workers and care workers I understand for patient reasons but this is about whether someone is entitled to sick pay or not. They must have run this past their employment specialists but even so I am surprised that they can ask for this info from their employees.

It's sick pay for those having to isolate as a close contact. If someone has to isolate as a close contact of a person that has got Covid then they are by definition unvaccinated. If you are vaccinated you don't have to isolate as a close contact as long as you keep testing negative