Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Ethan]

I've heard all this stuff before and know enough to recognise that I'll not change your mind on a public forum. As to your putdown challenge: the "Expertise" - was enough to be asked personally by people senior enough to judge. As a self proclaimed 'expert' in your field I'd have expected a more professional reciprocation.

You instant 'shoot the messenger' pushback from scant information rather proves the point I was making.

I'm back in my box now.

OK, keep your hair on. I am not putting you down. You may have mentioned before what your expertise is, but I don't remember. and if your anecdote his to have any value, you need to provide a bit more information. I am not a self-proclaimed expert, but I am happy to give real examples and you can judge if I am qualified to comment or not. I can't do the same with you.

So late say you are an expert in some sort of business process, and NHS management may think this process is essential for the smooth running of the service, but users and people who have to perform the process may legitimately not agree. This disconnect is very common, and is not a sign of professional intransigence.

It has been pretty common in the NHS for lots of new processes to be introduced. In the old days, a GP would write to a Consultant such as my missus, and refer a patient with a letter giving a summary of the salient issues on the case, she would read the letter and offer an appropriate appointment or referral to another department, say psychology. Then some manager in psychology decided they could gather a lot more information on the types of referrals they got and what happened to them by devising a referral form of several pages with a range of questions. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill in, they decided. Which might be true in early testing when you are just making up stuff to put into the form. But it turns out that when you actually have to go into the systems and find all the information, it takes a lot longer and the system crashes pretty often, losing everything you have done, so it takes much longer and is a PITA. And I have seen examples where the forms are presented and then not even used, when the people on the ground tell you they told management they wouldn't use them anyway. Despite this, the NHS is now full of these "10 minute" tasks, which actually take a lot longer and when you add up all the little tasks, you end up with a lot of time wasted.

So, when the next person comes along with an idea which involves some form-filling or an online portal, people are resistant, and rightly so. No new task is balanced by an old task being removed.

 

[drdel]

OK, keep your hair on. I am not putting you down. You may have mentioned before what your expertise is, but I don't remember. and if your anecdote his to have any value, you need to provide a bit more information. I am not a self-proclaimed expert, but I am happy to give real examples and you can judge if I am qualified to comment or not. I can't do the same with you.

So late say you are an expert in some sort of business process, and NHS management may think this process is essential for the smooth running of the service, but users and people who have to perform the process may legitimately not agree. This disconnect is very common, and is not a sign of professional intransigence.

It has been pretty common in the NHS for lots of new processes to be introduced. In the old days, a GP would write to a Consultant such as my missus, and refer a patient with a letter giving a summary of the salient issues on the case, she would read the letter and offer an appropriate appointment or referral to another department, say psychology. Then some manager in psychology decided they could gather a lot more information on the types of referrals they got and what happened to them by devising a referral form of several pages with a range of questions. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill in, they decided. Which might be true in early testing when you are just making up stuff to put into the form. But it turns out that when you actually have to go into the systems and find all the information, it takes a lot longer and the system crashes pretty often, losing everything you have done, so it takes much longer and is a PITA. And I have seen examples where the forms are presented and then not even used, when the people on the ground tell you they told management they wouldn't use them anyway. Despite this, the NHS is now full of these "10 minute" tasks, which actually take a lot longer and when you add up all the little tasks, you end up with a lot of time wasted.

So, when the next person comes along with an idea which involves some form-filling or an online portal, people are resistant, and rightly so. No new task is balanced by an old task being removed.

Right back at you.."OK, keep your hair on."
As I said "I've heard all this stuff before and know enough to recognise that I'll not change your mind on a public forum. "

 

[drdel]

2nd LFT negative , I am a free man
Huzzar ?

Just got back from a game; weather is great around here and you should sneak out for a round. It would do you good.

 

[patricks148]

Took another LF test as now been isolating for a week, still a strong positive. Wife was negative again.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Just got back from a game; weather is great around here and you should sneak out for a round. It would do you good.

I did , an honourable draw with himself with 33 each. jeez it was good to be out again ?

 

[Old Skier]

 

[Tashyboy]

Since I have had the second bout of COVID , occasionally my eyes feel really heavy. It just comes on without any warning. It’s weird.just googled it and it is a symptom/ after effect of COVID ?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

According to the Times LFT’s are going to cease to be free and will be a paid for item in the coming months. I guess that’ll lower our case numbers pretty quickly!

Recipe for disaster surely. Those at the lower end of the income scale aren't going to bother so how are they going to know if they are positive/negative and how will the government get any sort of handle on numbers. People not bothering to test as they have to pay surely means they will be out and about when they shouldn't be and passing the virus on

 

[Old Skier]

Recipe for disaster surely. Those at the lower end of the income scale aren't going to bother so how are they going to know if they are positive/negative and how will the government get any sort of handle on numbers. People not bothering to test as they have to pay surely means they will be out and about when they shouldn't be and passing the virus on

Wasnt this a headline a few months ago. Slow news week?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Wasnt this a headline a few months ago. Slow news week?

No idea I was simply replying to post #24483

 

[hovis]

Anyone on here had covid more than once?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Anyone on here had covid more than once?

Several at work have

 

[Tashyboy]

Anyone on here had covid more than once?

Yup,I believe Delta and Omicron Both times brought home by my son through his work as a class one driver. Both times over the last two Christmas periods.

Edit to say, Missis T as a nurse back in Jan/ Feb 2020 came down with “ something”. I say something because she wrote down all the signs and symptoms she was suffering with. She could not put her finger on it. She was adamant it was not flu. 11 months later she had the exact same symptoms. That’s when we both caught COVID the “ first” time. She is adamant she has had COVID 2 times.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Anyone on here had covid more than once?

Yes, both times been little more than a mild irritation.

 

[DanFST]

Anyone on here had covid more than once?

yep, Just before lockdown I was embraced and was convinced I was going to die. Jabs later, couple of weeks ago sleepy and a slight hangover feeling.

 

[Billysboots]

Yes. First time back in April 2020 but no symptoms and identified via an antibody test. And I’ve just tested positive again - this time a sore throat and mild cough so far.

 

[bobmac]

Don't know, I've never been tested

 

[Ethan]

Right back at you.."OK, keep your hair on."
As I said "I've heard all this stuff before and know enough to recognise that I'll not change your mind on a public forum. "

OK, so I am expected to accept your blanket dismissal of the willingness of the entire medical profession to listen to what you claim are expertise-based good ideas without any even vague idea of what those ideas were or what expertise supported them. Cool.

My days of keeping my hair on have long since passed.

 

[drdel]

OK, so I am expected to accept your blanket dismissal of the willingness of (1) the entire medical profession to listen to what you claim are expertise-based good ideas without any even vague idea of what those ideas were or what expertise supported them. Cool.

My days of keeping my hair on have long since passed.

(1) See post 24,475 !

This is a public Golf forum and the thread is about the impact on members !
You honestly think I'm going to list the contents of confidential business reports that would potentially allow organisations to be identified just to satisfy your entrenched views.
How absurd.

 

[RichA]

... so why would anyone mention their own "considerable international expertise" in the field being discussed on said public golf forum and not expect to be challenged?