PNWokingham
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not as large as Sweden's!! 83.9% to 88% as mentioned
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not as large as Sweden's!! 83.9% to 88% as mentioned
SocketRocket
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But England's urban population is massive compared to Swedens. If you take your reasoning as meaningful then we should be comparing Monaco to London.
Fade and Die
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Pfizer lying about drug effectiveness? Check out how many times they have been fined for false claims…….
https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/pfizer
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ne-every-for-deceitful-advertising-2009-9?amp
Plus previous for bribing Drs……
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/4857499001
And lying about the effects of their drugs on kids….
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/11/pfizer-nigeria-meningitis-drug-compensation
Awful company. But they invented the iPhone of vaccines so ?
ColchesterFC
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Sweden's population in 2020 was a little over 10 million. If Sweden has 88% of those living in urban areas that's 8.8million. In 2020 the population of London was over 9 million. We have more people living in a single city than Sweden have living in all of their urban areas.
Foxholer
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Given the bunch of jabs babies get in the 1st few months after birth (including Polio, but Smallpox has been wiped out, so no vaccinaion reqd), you might expect that to be effective. However, neither Smallpox, nor Polio mutated to the same extent as CV-19, so a single innoculation (or a series as given to babies) is unlikely to be effective.
It's still a case of convincing the public that innoculation is the right thing to do (save for those who have adverse reaction to the vaccine).
Ethan
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So do Norwegians.
Population density is meaningless, but urbanisation rate doesn't fully capture it either. Denmark has almost exactly the same urbanisation as Sweden, and had a fraction of the death rate. Most of Eastern Europe and the Balkans have a much lower urbanisation rate and have had bad pandemics. Japan has a higher urbanisation rate and has had a much better pandemic than the UK or Sweden. Likewise Iceland.
On the other side, the Swedish social culture is much more stand-offish than UK, so social distancing is already baked in and should reduce risk.
Anyway you look at it, Sweden had a bad pandemic.
Ethan
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So what? Deaths and cases are expressed per capita.
Leftitshort
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I’ve yet to hear a compelling argument for vaccination in kids. If one case isn’t enough evidence to indicate harm is done by the vaccine, then the very few cases of covid complications in the age range vs amount of kids who have contracted it aren’t a compelling reason to vaccinate either.
It seems to be being encouraged to placate other sections of society, this isn’t a valid enough reason IMO. My 13 year son hasn’t been vaccinated, most of his friends have. I was against the idea from the start, this was reinforced when the increased chance of Myocarditis was indicated.
Again not a rabid anti vaxxer. I’ve been triple jabbed, but I won’t have another one. I’ve had 2 positive ‘test’ periods I’ve the last 2 years. First one slightly symptomatic, 2nd 7 day rest, with no symptoms. Neither time I tested + did I feel as rough as after my booster.
Foxholer
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I believe it was how your wording was interpreted. That was certainly the case for me. Compare the italicised bit to 'make the best of it'.
When this argument was initially bouncing around I did a very crude comparison of mortality rates based on population density and the typical type of accommodation - urban mix of houses ‘v’ the typical apartment blocks you see on the continent. To a certain extent it was pretty much impossible to draw a meaningful conclusion - it’s an apples and oranges thing when trying to see a Sweden ‘v’ U.K. equation. However, drawing comparisons with other scandinavian countries is meaningful… short version, Sweden screwed up.
Foxholer
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But potential for spread is much greater in areas of high population density!
Leftitshort
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That doesn’t have the same meaning though. You can’t change his post to suit the forums narrative. Maybe Dan meant what he wrote
Foxholer
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Just remember that, without vaccination, you are at greater risk of becoming a 'spreader'. That's the main reason I'm anti-anti-vaxxers!
I agree with the kids bit of the post btw. Though vaccine evolution will, hopefully, overcome the anomolies that, unfortunately, have occured.
PNWokingham
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It is not!! See the figures. Check Wikipedia. Sweden has a higher percentage of people living in urban areas than the UK. That is a fact
Jamesbrown
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What? Pfizer would do such a thing, they wouldn’t lie would they? I thought they and the pharmaceutical industry were ethical! ?
Foxholer
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1. Not trying to change his post!
2. Note the 1st 2 words of my post!
Leftitshort
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Agree in adults, are you at greater risk if asymptomatic though? I don’t know. How many jabs is enough though? 2/3/4??? & does each jab increase the risk of an adverse reaction. Don’t know either
Ethan
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Pop density is one factor, but may not be the most important one. In any case, population density is also per capita. Small places can have a high population density.
Foxholer
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Exactly the reason why your comparison of Sweden and UK data was 'invalid'!!
Foxholer
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I'd guess so - as greater potential to 'forget the discipline' of maintaining separation etc.