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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Ethan said:
Test and Trace reached agreement with Covid's agent that it would not start replicating or infecting anybody else until the result came back, to create a level playing field.

The advice is wrong. The period begins from the first of the tests, in this case the LFT, and can be stopped after 7 days if 2 negative LFTs are obtained 24 hours apart on or after days 6 and 7 (which looks like tomorrow and next day), otherwise 10 days.
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Thank you Ethan. I don't suppose you have an easy link to that to put her mind at rest?
 
Blue in Munich said:
She is Amanda, but the woman on the phone, although admitting that Mrs BiM's argument made more sense, that being that the test result applies from the date the sample was taken, not the date the result is provided. Unfortunately she is still testing positive but the line is getting fainter.

Bad enough spending Christmas Day apart in the same house, but if their rules do apply, by the time they get to tell us, a 10 day isolation period will rule her out of the home games against Brighton, Liverpool, Spurs & Chesterfield, and the New Year's Eve do at the golf club. Happy New Year.
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You have a big enough squad though surely? ?

Seriously though what a clustercluck, and all for what? A mild variant that might actually help us to achieve herd immunity. We have avoided any testing as we don’t want to be in the same situation, selfish? maybe, but I honestly believe the reaction to omni is ott. Our friends daughter is eating her Christmas dinner in her bedroom whilst the rest of the family are downstairs! (They posted photos on FB of her on the iPad Zooming into the family dinner! Odd but they post everything!)

Christmas last year was bleak enough, this year we will all be together.

Hope you and your family manage to have some sort of Christmas together because what is Christmas if not for being with Loved ones?
 
Blue in Munich said:
Think elections; how does a party win an election when 60+% of the voters voted against them? ;)

Let's invent some numbers to try & make this clearer. Take a population of 100 million, 90% of whom are fully vaccinated, the remaining 10% being completely unvaccinated. And let's say we have 1 million in hospital. And we'll use the 70% figure for vaccinated hospitalisations.

If 70% of the 1 million hospitalised patients are vaccinated, that's 700,000 out of the 90 million vaccinated population in hospital, or 0.78% of the vaccinated population.

The remaining 30% are unvaccinated, that's 300,000 out of 10 million, or 3% of the unvaccinated population.

So you're approximately 4 times more likely to be hospitalised if you are unvaccinated on a very simple scenario.

I believe you're right; the vaccine is working.

Factor in that the fully vaccinated are more likely to be older, so more likely to have underlying health conditions or simply more frail, I'd argue that the vaccine is helping them by reducing the severity of the virus. Some of the vaccinated in hospital may not yet be fully vaccinated, whereas the unvaccinated are always fully unvaccinated. And I'm sure there are many other metrics that will skew the figures in favour of it being safer to be vaccinated.
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Yes, ok BIM. But, on the basis that being vaccinated doesn't stop you getting infected., surely the figures that should be worked on are in respect of those who are infected. And not others. Populations not relevant, surely?
3 men walking down the street, a positive passer by sneezes near them.lets say one gets no germs anywhere near him, I,e not infected. The other two breath in the germs and become infected. One shows no symptoms , the other gets ill.
So, as to whether the vaccine is effective does not matter to the first one.
He doesn't come into the reckoning.

Therefore, the figures should relate to the infected.
Let's take a recent day's Covid figures then, 120,000 positive cases.
If they were all vaccinated, and if the vaccine was 100 per cent effective, none if those would be seriously ill.
( granted-some /most wouldn't get seriously ill anyway, if not vaccinated )
To the extent it is less than 100 per cent effective , then some would become seriously ill.
If only half were vaccinated, then even with a fully efffective vaccine, some would become ill- some of the unvaccinated.
I imagine the ill figures would rise in line with the vaccines inefficiency.

So, if the vaccine is very effective, as they say it is, it still is a bit concerning, one might think, to have a figure of two thirds of hospitalised being in the vaccinated category. It must be due to a combination of other factors, additional illnesses, immune problems , etc.
If unvaccinated,there would be more of those people in hospital?
The combinations must almost make the figures meaningless .
As Homer said, from what he saw, it suggests it's almost "luck of the draw"?
 
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You've probably read it by now in from the link Ethan posted - but the important bit in it, as far as Mrs BiM is concerned is .

"Your isolation period starts immediately from when your symptoms started, or, if you do not have any symptoms, from when your positive LFD or PCR test was taken, whichever test was taken first."
 
Day 3 or is it 4 of COVID, feel lethargic, had sore throat, cough has started even worse, nose running like a tap, but nasal Congestio.But no we’re near as worse as last year. Maybe I can thank the vaccine for that.
registered on the NHS app which gives a 10 day isolation countdown. I cannot be rrrsed at the moment to Think about LFT testing after day 6 and 7. Off for a olbas oil bath.
Another rubbish Christmas.
 
Tash LFT positive.
Missis T LFT negative. Her LFT was negative on 23rd but her PCR positive. COVID moves in mysterious ways ?
 
Test & Trace have now contacted Mrs BiM. They have taken the first day of the isolation as the PCR result rather than the LFT result of the 19th, thus ignoring 2 of the days she has already self isolated. They have also disabled her Covid pass until midnight on the 31st of December. Now it was questionable whether she wanted to go to the Brighton home game on the 29th, even though with two negative LFT's we believe she could. But she would have served her 10 day self isolation in time for a much reduced numbers NYE bash at the golf club, but it looks like that option has been removed as well.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Test & Trace have now contacted Mrs BiM. They have taken the first day of the isolation as the PCR result rather than the LFT result of the 19th, thus ignoring 2 of the days she has already self isolated. They have also disabled her Covid pass until midnight on the 31st of December. Now it was questionable whether she wanted to go to the Brighton home game on the 29th, even though with two negative LFT's we believe she could. But she would have served her 10 day self isolation in time for a much reduced numbers NYE bash at the golf club, but it looks like that option has been removed as well.
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My lad ( today ) has rang 119 and spoken to someone directly. They have taken his first day of having COVID as a week last Saturday. Even though his LFT tests were negative. Why? Because that is when he had symptoms.which was why he had the LFT tests. The last two days he has tested negative so he has got out of the COVID jail.
My advise would be to ring 119.
I said yesterday that I couldn’t get my head around being informed that we are being told that 7 days after 2 negative LFT tests you can go out. But the NHS still says 10 days. Furthermore the LFT tests seem very hit and miss. EG, they do not pick up all COVID, but are used as A yardstick so you can get out of COVID Jail.
Ring 119 ? and let us know how you get on.
 
Tashyboy said:
My lad ( today ) has rang 119 and spoken to someone directly. They have taken his first day of having COVID as a week last Saturday. Even though his LFT tests were negative. Why? Because that is when he had symptoms.which was why he had the LFT tests. The last two days he has tested negative so he has got out of the COVID jail.
My advise would be to ring 119.
I said yesterday that I couldn’t get my head around being informed that we are being told that 7 days after 2 negative LFT tests you can go out. But the NHS still says 10 days. Furthermore the LFT tests seem very hit and miss. EG, they do not pick up all COVID, but are used as A yardstick so you can get out of COVID Jail.
Ring 119 ? and let us know how you get on.
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Blue in Munich said:
Mrs BiM tested positive on a LFT last Sunday. PCR was ordered & posted back from a priority postbox on Tuesday. Having had no result, she has rung them today. Yes the test is in the system; no, we cannot tell you the result, we have to refer it to the investigation team who have 72 hours to respond. AND IF YOUR TEST IS POSITIVE, YOUR 10 DAY ISOLATION PERIOD BEGINS FROM WHEN WE NOTIFY YOU OF THE RESULT!!!

How utterly ridiculous. Since the positive LFT, Mrs BiM has lived in the bedroom, popping out only to shower & use the bathroom. Meals have been delivered to the door. And when she gets the result, which we can't think will be anything other than positive, she is then expected to start a further 10 day isolation period because of their incompetence? What an absolute farce.
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The following posts to that one will give you an idea why we won't be bothering to ring them. We will look at the advice Ethan kindly linked us to & follow that.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Test & Trace have now contacted Mrs BiM. They have taken the first day of the isolation as the PCR result rather than the LFT result of the 19th, thus ignoring 2 of the days she has already self isolated. They have also disabled her Covid pass until midnight on the 31st of December. Now it was questionable whether she wanted to go to the Brighton home game on the 29th, even though with two negative LFT's we believe she could. But she would have served her 10 day self isolation in time for a much reduced numbers NYE bash at the golf club, but it looks like that option has been removed as well.
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Well, they are getting closer but still not quite right. Both extracts copied from gov.uk, as linked above:

1. If you are notified by NHS Test and Trace of a positive test result you must complete a period of self-isolation. Your isolation period starts immediately from when your symptoms started, or, if you do not have any symptoms, from when your positive LFD or PCR test was taken, whichever test was taken first. Your isolation period includes the day your symptoms started (or the day your test was taken if you do not have symptoms), and the next 10 full days.

2. You may be able to end your self-isolation period before the end of the 10 full days. You can take an LFD test from 6 days after the day your symptoms started (or the day your test was taken if you did not have symptoms), and another LFD test on the following day. The second LFD test should be taken at least 24 hours later. If both these test results are negative, and you do not have a high temperature, you may end your self-isolation after the second negative test result.

Report your LFD test results after taking each test

You should not take an LFD test before the sixth day of your isolation period, and you should only end your self-isolation after you have had 2 consecutive negative LFD tests which should be taken at least 24 hours apart. You should stop testing after you have had 2 consecutive negative test results.

Personally, I would go ahead with the LFTs, timed from the original LFT, and if negative, use them to go to the Brighton game, although they are going to get pounded. You could try calling T&T back but they are fairly hopeless.
 
Ethan said:
Well, they are getting closer but still not quite right. Both extracts copied from gov.uk, as linked above:

1. If you are notified by NHS Test and Trace of a positive test result you must complete a period of self-isolation. Your isolation period starts immediately from when your symptoms started, or, if you do not have any symptoms, from when your positive LFD or PCR test was taken, whichever test was taken first. Your isolation period includes the day your symptoms started (or the day your test was taken if you do not have symptoms), and the next 10 full days.

2. You may be able to end your self-isolation period before the end of the 10 full days. You can take an LFD test from 6 days after the day your symptoms started (or the day your test was taken if you did not have symptoms), and another LFD test on the following day. The second LFD test should be taken at least 24 hours later. If both these test results are negative, and you do not have a high temperature, you may end your self-isolation after the second negative test result.

Report your LFD test results after taking each test

You should not take an LFD test before the sixth day of your isolation period, and you should only end your self-isolation after you have had 2 consecutive negative LFD tests which should be taken at least 24 hours apart. You should stop testing after you have had 2 consecutive negative test results.

Personally, I would go ahead with the LFTs, timed from the original LFT, and if negative, use them to go to the Brighton game, although they are going to get pounded. You could try calling T&T back but they are fairly hopeless.
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Thanks again Ethan, much appreciated. (y)
 
The below is a paste from an emergency services social media page in response to a question about the vaccination status of ICU patients. The source is not known to me, and I have no way of vouching for their authenticity, however, it’s an interesting brief read;

“ICU nurse here (married to an Ambulance Tech).

The ICU audit office (ICNARC) publishes information about this. I can find the links and will put them below. However this is a comparison of critical care patients compared with population. Your will see about 50% of ICU patients are fully vaccinated, compared to 80% of the population.

Personal observation is that the vaccinated patients on ICU with Covid are generally older (over 60) and are immunocompromised. The unvaccinated are under 50, generally either obese or pregnant although some have no obvious comorbidities.”

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Supposed to have a family get together yesterday. Got a call from my brother about 11o/c, he’d been at his sil’s the day before and his nephews tested positive, consequently wasn’t going to travel as didn’t want to risk bringing anything nasty with him.
 
Started feeling a bit crap on Saturday afternoon and evening and then developed a cough. Company I'm working for told me to get a PCR test which I did yesterday. Negative result came back this morning so it looks like I've just got a cold, which you were allowed to have in the good old days. Strange thing is that I feel worse now with this cold than I did when I got Covid back in November. I think the scientists now need to pull their fingers out and find a vaccine against Man Flu.
 
Don’t know if it’s been reported in the U.K. but there’s a number of hospitalised patients in northern Spain who have both delta and omicron simultaneously.

Numbers locally are sky rocketing. For months it’s been zero or just a few a week/day. Seeing numbers like 72 new cases and 12 deaths is worrying.
 
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