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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Daughter sent home from school yesterday for 10 days. Apparently there was a large house party at the weekend (she didn't go) with about 70 kids all in one house, there have now been 4 positive tests in her year group:rolleyes:
 
ExRabbit said:
Perhaps your son should look for a job with a few less risks - maybe the NHS or firefighting for instance.
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Or he could simply turn down the work and tick over on UC for the next 12weeks or so until he is two weeks past getting his second dose of the vaccine - though if he turns it down he risks losing future work. Ideally he’d be offered the second dose sooner by showing he has work to return to but is at risk without having it.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Or he could simply turn down the work and tick over on UC for the next 12weeks or so until he is two weeks past getting his second dose of the vaccine - though if he turns it down he risks losing future work.
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Assume he was unsuccessful then in finding other employment over the pandemic. What a shame. There is a nationwide shortage of care staff currently so opportunities there to get him off UC.
 
chellie said:
Assume he was unsuccessful then in finding other employment over the pandemic. What a shame. There is a nationwide shortage of care staff currently so opportunities there to get him off UC.
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He will take the work in his sector as he is desperate to get back to work, and will remain on UC until his level of work and income means he does not require it to live - that should only be a couple of month after the 19th. He does not express great concerns to us - he has them but we are more worried for him than he expresses for himself.

Your suggestion might be brilliant, but it is not an answer to, and does not address, the risk that many hundreds of thousands if not millions of young workers in the events and hospitality sector will be facing after the 19th. And without them working in it we risk losing much of that sector.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
He will take the work in his sector as he is desperate to get back to work, and will remain on UC until his level of work and income means he does not require it to live - that should only be a couple of month after the 19th. He does not express great concerns to us - he has them but we are more worried for him. Your suggestion might be brilliant, but it is not an answer to, and does not address, the risk that many hundreds of thousands if not millions of young workers in the events and hospitality sector will be facing after the 19th. And without them working in it we risk losing much of that sector.
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So all through the lockdowns you've moaned about the sector being closed and no one being able to work, now its opening up you're moaning about that as its too early/dangerous etc etc. You couldn't make it up ?‍♂️
 
SaintHacker said:
So all through the lockdowns you've moaned about the sector being closed and no one being able to work, now its opening up you're moaning about that as its too early/dangerous etc etc. You couldn't make it up ?‍♂️
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You actually don’t get it do you. Maybe you do but chose to pretend otherwise.

He wants to work and will work. After the 19th the work will be there but he and all young folk in his and hospitality sectors will have to be taking the work at risk to their health because this variant has taken hold and the government seems happy for infection numbers to climb unconstrained by nothing but the vaccine - and of course the risk to health remains high until 2nd dose is received.

We should not have been in this position with the delta variant, except we are and we have a good idea why. The government could have supported the sector better - but it didn’t - and won’t start now - so it has to reopen. He (and many hundreds of thousands) will work knowing the risk to his long term health that he is running, and we will be worried for him - and that’s just how it’s going to be.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
He will take the work in his sector as he is desperate to get back to work, and will remain on UC until his level of work and income means he does not require it to live - that should only be a couple of month after the 19th. He does not express great concerns to us - he has them but we are more worried for him than he expresses for himself.

Your suggestion might be brilliant, but it is not an answer to, and does not address, the risk that many hundreds of thousands if not millions of young workers in the events and hospitality sector will be facing after the 19th. And without them working in it we risk losing much of that sector.
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Lots of people in hospitality have taken work elsewhere. As have workers in the airline industry, fitness industry, hairdressing to name three.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
You actually don’t get it do you. Maybe you do but chose to pretend otherwise.

He wants to work and will work. After the 19th the work will be there but he and all young folk in his and hospitality sectors will have to be taking the work at risk to their health because this variant has taken hold and the government seems happy for infection numbers to climb unconstrained by nothing but the vaccine - and of course the risk to health remains high until 2nd dose is received.

We should not have been in this position with the delta variant, except we are and we have a good idea why. The government could have supported the sector better - but it didn’t - and won’t start now - so it has to reopen. He (and many hundreds of thousands) will work knowing the risk to his long term health that he is running, and we will be worried for him - and that’s just how it’s going to be.
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Having worked 'frontline' so to speak, all the way through this thing, believe me i get it 100%
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
You actually don’t get it do you. Maybe you do but chose to pretend otherwise.

He wants to work and will work. After the 19th the work will be there but he and all young folk in his and hospitality sectors will have to be taking the work at risk to their health because this variant has taken hold and the government seems happy for infection numbers to climb unconstrained by nothing but the vaccine - and of course the risk to health remains high until 2nd dose is received.

We should not have been in this position with the delta variant, except we are and we have a good idea why. The government could have supported the sector better - but it didn’t - and won’t start now - so it has to reopen. He (and many hundreds of thousands) will work knowing the risk to his long term health that he is running, and we will be worried for him - and that’s just how it’s going to be.
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And yet only 10 days ago, you said "I would stick with 19th and lift restrictions and requirements. The chaos around schools, events and hospitality is unsustainable and so we might as well just get on with living with the virus. And that is a change from my previous risk-averse thinking. I think the impact of the current risk arising from virus is not worth the mitigations - they are a cost too far for the many individuals and business that have been seriously impacted by the lockdowns and restrictions. "

Now that it's happened just as you described, you are still unhappy. It's starting to look like you are just a serial moaner that will never be happy, either that or you're just at the wind-up. The industry is being opened up just like you (originally) wanted and "your lad" has the option of taking the work that he has been so desperate for or he doesn't. If he doesn't it may appear that he wasn't that desperate after all.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
He will take the work in his sector as he is desperate to get back to work, and will remain on UC until his level of work and income means he does not require it to live - that should only be a couple of month after the 19th. He does not express great concerns to us - he has them but we are more worried for him than he expresses for himself.

Your suggestion might be brilliant, but it is not an answer to, and does not address, the risk that many hundreds of thousands if not millions of young workers in the events and hospitality sector will be facing after the 19th. And without them working in it we risk losing much of that sector.
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Why doesn’t he take work outside his sector ? Millions have moved away from their line of work to get jobs in many other areas so that they don’t have to rely on benefits or any other form of government handouts

If your son is unwilling to venture outside his sector as you say then I’m not sure what else is expected. Im guessing he is a grown man but coming on here every day to complain and moan about his circumstances will start to get a bit tiring for everyone - especially when it seems that you want it all to fall into his lap
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
You actually don’t get it do you. Maybe you do but chose to pretend otherwise.

He wants to work and will work. After the 19th the work will be there but he and all young folk in his and hospitality sectors will have to be taking the work at risk to their health because this variant has taken hold and the government seems happy for infection numbers to climb unconstrained by nothing but the vaccine - and of course the risk to health remains high until 2nd dose is received.

We should not have been in this position with the delta variant, except we are and we have a good idea why. The government could have supported the sector better - but it didn’t - and won’t start now - so it has to reopen. He (and many hundreds of thousands) will work knowing the risk to his long term health that he is running, and we will be worried for him - and that’s just how it’s going to be.
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The delta strain would have dominated here no matter what the government did as it was here and spreading before we even knew about it - so no need for non-subte swipes at the goverment. It is doing the same in Europe with a lag of around 5 weeks. Indeed, is totally dominant in Portugal already and around 50% in the rest of Western Europe
 
PNWokingham said:
The delta strain would have dominated here no matter what the government did as it was here and spreading before we even knew about it - so no need for non-subte swipes at the goverment. It is doing the same in Europe with a lag of around 5 weeks. Indeed, is totally dominant in Portugal already and around 50% in the rest of Western Europe
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The decisions made by the Govt expedited the spread of the Delta variant but like you say, it was going to get here anyway as will any future variant, there is nothing you can do to stop them bar completely closing borders and even then it would be difficult as some travel is still needed.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
You actually don’t get it do you. Maybe you do but chose to pretend otherwise.

He wants to work and will work. After the 19th the work will be there but he and all young folk in his and hospitality sectors will have to be taking the work at risk to their health because this variant has taken hold and the government seems happy for infection numbers to climb unconstrained by nothing but the vaccine - and of course the risk to health remains high until 2nd dose is received.

We should not have been in this position with the delta variant, except we are and we have a good idea why. The government could have supported the sector better - but it didn’t - and won’t start now - so it has to reopen. He (and many hundreds of thousands) will work knowing the risk to his long term health that he is running, and we will be worried for him - and that’s just how it’s going to be.
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Over a year ago many of us gave you advice that the sector of entertainment was highly volatile and that a more stable job path would be the best for you son and his girl friend, even if it was just for a year or two.

As is your right you pushed back at the advice and now blame everyone. COVID 19 has caught the world flat footed not just UK and we can see that it will impact pop concerts for a while yet with added uncertainty from the Brexit transition.

I suggested back then that "the first loss is the best loss...", sometimes the 'blame' lies inside and not with everyone else being at fault. I apologise for being brutal.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Here’s the thing. My lad has been offered work for 24th July…hurrah - it’s a gig in Leeds. There will likely be a few hundred attending. Most will not have been double vaccinated. They will most likely only have to show a negative LF test result done on the day of the gig - for what that’s worth. Mask wearing will not be a condition of entry and few are expected to wear one.

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If you recall the discussion re masks, and why they are no longer going to be legally required, I made the point that it was now having the "lawfully required " part removed to avoid the impractical and chaotic situation that would ensue when gigs etc, like the one you are describing here ,occur and some stirrer demands of the Police why they are not prosecuting those not wearing masks! In this case, hundreds!
YOU dismissed my point saying the gig organisers would/could make masks a condition of entry!
Now you see the reality.
The facts are that all who want to be protected by the first dose, can be,- and that is reasonably high protection-plus young people will likely not need hospital.
It has been decided , IMO, therefore that those lesser risks do not justify holding back the recovery of the economy any longer. Hence the present scenario.
 
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