Confusion ??

[bladeplayer]

Hope i explain this right
Par 3 river in front still yellow stakes . Big tree just to the right before the river

Playing into strong sun and today ..

Player 1 .. we lose it in sun but know its either just carried river or its in it .. defo not short of river ..
Player 2 is ok ..
I push mine right near right side of tree ..
So its either just short or in river as its a clean bank .
As we get near river we notice There is 1 ball on front of green . Must b playr 1 as no one else was near there

I cant find mine so we agree from knowledge of hole and the info in front of us that its must b in water .. is this ok ?

I drop and chip in close ..

We discover on walking over bridge the ball on the green was mine. Now the probs start .
The min i took drop the original ball is out of play .. right or wrong ?

Now i know ball was def not in water the drop is wrong so i felt i couldnt take the bogey so i just scratched the hole .

Whats right way to proceed ? What if it was strokes how would i score the hole

Thanks

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[drdel]

IMO, since you weren't certain your ball was in the water, you were able to play your provisional (if so declared) until you reached your original and continued with that. Experts will be along to correct us soon !!

 

[rulefan]

If at the time you played the second ball you were 95% sure that the first was in the penalty area, then you could not play a provisional.
As you did not declare a provisional as soon as you played the second ball it was your ball in play and the original is dead whether or not you found it later.

 

[bladeplayer]

Yea we were 95% sure it was in the pen area .. so was it ok to proceed with drop? .. yes ?

Confusion as to legality of the agreed drop kicked in When we got to green and it became clear 1st ball was definitely NOT in the penalty area ..

Would it b ok to continue with the dropped ball even after we discovered the 1st ball was not in penalty area ..

I had tap in bogey for 2 pts with second ball but felt it was safer to scratch the hole as i was not sure what to do

 

[rulefan]

Yea we were 95% sure it was in the pen area .. so wa ok to proceed .. yes ?

Yes

Confusion as to legality of the agreed drop kicked in

As (correctly) you hadn't declared a provisional, when playing again you were playing under Stroke and Distance. That was the correct procedure.
Belay the preceding. I had read it as if you had played again from the tee. I now realise you dropped back on a line with a 1 stroke penalty.

When we got to green and it became clear it was definitely NOT in the penalty area ..
Would it b ok to continue with the dropped ball even after we discovered the 1st ball was not in penalty area ..

Yes. You must continue with the second ball. The first ball became 'dead' after you played the second ball.

I had tap in bogey for 2 pts with second ball but felt it was safer to scratch the hole as i was not sure what to do

It's a pity you didn't continue.

 

[duncan mackie]

Yea we were 95% sure it was in the pen area .. so was it ok to proceed with drop? .. yes ?

Confusion as to legality of the agreed drop kicked in When we got to green and it became clear 1st ball was definitely NOT in the penalty area ..

Would it b ok to continue with the dropped ball even after we discovered the 1st ball was not in penalty area ..

I had tap in bogey for 2 pts with second ball but felt it was safer to scratch the hole as i was not sure what to do

Firstly, you weren't playing again from the tee so talk of a provisional is a complete red herring!

Whilst it's easy to suggest that with no visibility of your ball beyond it heading in the general area of a tree it's hard to be sufficiently certain that the ball is in the hazard (note this is more relevant than the fact that it was actually found on the green) we have all been in such situations and if everyone's happy at the time you drop and play that it's in, and where, then that's now your ball in play.

Pick up the one on the green (being thankfully it's not lost), and tap in for 2 points (that could have been 3 or 4...).

 

[rulie]

Firstly, you weren't playing again from the tee so talk of a provisional is a complete red herring!

Whilst it's easy to suggest that with no visibility of your ball beyond it heading in the general area of a tree it's hard to be sufficiently certain that the ball is in the hazard (note this is more relevant than the fact that it was actually found on the green) we have all been in such situations and if everyone's happy at the time you drop and play that it's in, and where, then that's now your ball in play.

Pick up the one on the green (being thankfully it's not lost), and tap in for 2 points (that could have been 3 or 4...).

Yes, agree with your ruling. I don't know where the "provisional" idea came from?

 

[duncan mackie]

Yes, agree with your ruling. I don't know where the "provisional" idea came from?

Ironically I suspect Bladeplayer has wished he did play a provisional from the tee on this occasion...🤔

 

[rulefan]

Yes, agree with your ruling. I don't know where the "provisional" idea came from?

It seems I have a comprehension problem

 

[Colin L]

Red wine comprehension?

 

[bladeplayer]

Ironically I suspect Bladeplayer has wished he did play a provisional from the tee on this occasion...🤔

I was happy enough it was either on the edge or just in .
The grass is cut back so it easily be seen if it short .. all was good until we found first ball on green . We did not see r hear it hit the tree and it must have had to get where it did .. didnt feel right taking a drop for penalty area when i subsequently found out if definitly was not in it
Il know better next time thanks to all for answers

 

[rulefan]

Red wine comprehension?

I undershtand that perfecly hic!

But red wine wasn't a contributor at that time. I'd spent all afternoon building a drystone wall and was somewhat kn......d when I came in. The red wine was with the rib eye this evening.

 

[Colin L]

A fellow senior at my club does drystone dyking as a hobby and has built a handsome wall at the entrance to our club. What that has done to his reading comprehension I know not. Red wine incomprehension I'm certainly more knowledgeable of.