Children of America

Scrotie McBoogerballs said:
So what do these religious types pray for to their imaginary friend/s after an atrocity/mass shooting?:confused:
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By 'Those religious types' I assume you mean those with a religious belief and faith - and if you do I can confirm that there are many, many different types.

However since you asked - this particular 'religious type' will pray to my God (as I understand him) to provide those who have suffered loss with love, strength and guidance - this being provided through the good works, words and actions of others who come to understand and realise that it is they who can provide that support. And the 'others' can include myself if the circumstances permit.

And at the same time I pray for others who might find themselves in the same mindset as the 'shooter' and ready to commit an atrocity - and I pray to my God to help those individuals open their mind to see that what they intend or wish to do as wrong - and so help them to not do what is their will, but to act in accordance with the will of God.

It's called belief and faith...acting in accordance with the will of (my) God and not in accordance with my own will.

Since you asked,
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
By 'Those religious types' I assume you mean those with a religious belief and faith - and if you do I can confirm that there are many, many different types.

However since you asked - this particular 'religious type' will pray to my God (as I understand him) to provide those who have suffered loss with love, strength and guidance - this being provided through the good works, words and actions of others who come to understand and realise that it is they who can provide that support. And the 'others' can include myself if the circumstances permit.

And at the same time I pray for others who might find themselves in the same mindset as the 'shooter' and ready to commit an atrocity - and I pray to my God to help those individuals open their mind to see that what they intend or wish to do as wrong - and so help them to not do what is their will, but to act in accordance with the will of God.

It's called belief and faith...acting in accordance with the will of (my) God and not in accordance with my own will.

Since you asked,
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So I was right, the power of prayer doesn't work.
Cheers for clearing that up.:thup:
 
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Scrotie McBoogerballs said:
So what do these religious types pray for to their imaginary friend/s after an atrocity/mass shooting?:confused:
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You dont appear to understand how Christianity works, it's not meant to be something that takes away all the bad and evil things in the world, it's based on people trying to live better lives and understanding that humans have original sin and as such some will commit horrendous acts and depravities. It's not as simple as saying "your imaginary friend in the sky" You probably wont try to understand it and that's entirely up to you but at least you could accept that billions do and are not all crackpots. I am not a practicing Christian but at least I have made an effort to understand what it's about.
 
SocketRocket said:
You dont appear to understand how Christianity works, it's not meant to be something that takes away all the bad and evil things in the world, it's based on people trying to live better lives and understanding that humans have original sin and as such some will commit horrendous acts and depravities. It's not as simple as saying "your imaginary friend in the sky" You probably wont try to understand it and that's entirely up to you but at least you could accept that billions do and are not all crackpots. I am not a practicing Christian but at least I have made an effort to understand what it's about.
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Billions that have been brain-washed down the centuries.
 
SocketRocket said:
You dont appear to understand how Christianity works, it's not meant to be something that takes away all the bad and evil things in the world, it's based on people trying to live better lives and understanding that humans have original sin and as such some will commit horrendous acts and depravities. It's not as simple as saying "your imaginary friend in the sky" You probably wont try to understand it and that's entirely up to you but at least you could accept that billions do and are not all crackpots. I am not a practicing Christian but at least I have made an effort to understand what it's about.
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Gosh - someone understands my pigeonhole on this even though you might not be in it with me - and it is good knowing it is from you @SR given our occasional and little disagreements on other matters :)

That said I struggle seriously with the views of the evangelical Christian right in the US and what appears to be manipulation of congregations by many of their pastors and ministers...a congregation that Trump seems able to call on with ease.
 
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Scrotie McBoogerballs said:
To base my life around lies and fiction?:whistle:
Oh dear.:rolleyes:
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whatever...

And so we believe what the scientists say about the universe...

The astronomers and astrophysicists point us at a part of the universe and tell as that there, there is a black hole - and point to another and tell us that over there there is the 9th planet of the Solar System. And we ask how do they know these things because there is nothing visible; and they tell us that something is affecting other forces and heavenly bodies (:) ) in the vicinity - and so there must be something there - so they call one a black hole and the other the 9th planet.

And so black holes and a 9th planet exist as a result of the conclusions drawn by scientists that they must - because the things that they see happening are not happening by themselves and are unexplained unless...black holes and 9th planet.

We have faith in scientists and astrophysicists and so we believe them...:)
 
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can we leave peoples personal religious beliefs out of the discussion, the fact that these beliefs are held mean that they should be respected even if others disagree with them

Thank you
 
bobmac said:
Such an optimistic, upbeat thread ruined.

Pretty sad reflection of how this forum has changed
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Apologies if I upset any folks by pushing back when religious belief is simply rubbished and when those who might have a belief are disparaged - but I've said enough on that.

Anyway - and to the point of this - I did say that - and I repeat - that Trump's words are fine but words mean nothing without action. And that Trump in his words panders to some his core base (the evangelical Christian right wing) - at a time of national grief - that I find distasteful and difficult.

My hope is that the words and actions of the children help those politicians in the pockets of the NRA understand the right thing to do - and actually - for once - DO the right thing rather than that which best suits them personally - and that the right thing will hurt them in the pocket and perhaps politically also - but that they will understand that these are pains worth suffering for the long term good of US society as a whole.
 
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So...
Shots fired in a school in Georgia.
No one hurt ( apart from an ankle injury during evacuation)
A Teacher has been taken into custody..

I can't wait for Trump's view on this one....
 
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