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But what if she consented at the time but can't remember doing so the next day ?
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But what if she consented at the time but can't remember doing so the next day ?
Pin-seeker
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Or she's just a mug & knows he'll end up with another decent contract.
bluewolf
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Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the law states that if the person is drunk, then consent cannot be given.. Agree with it or not..
ManinBlack
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As long as you're sure she was telling the truth "beyond reasonable doubt" She had,apparently, previously accused someone else of rape but this evidence was deemed to be inadmissable & couldn't be used by the defence.
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Didnt know that ?
So any bloke that sleeps with a lady who is drunk could be charged with rape ?
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Still what says the most to me is all the evidence plus any new evidence was put to the Appeal Court, 3 Judges reviewed the case and denied his appeal,
The victim and his girlfriend now seem to get there characters questioned more than him, were was his character that night when he put himself in that situation.
As someone else already stated, this shouldn't be about if he can return to Football, but why is he out!
The victim and his girlfriend now seem to get there characters questioned more than him, were was his character that night when he put himself in that situation.
As someone else already stated, this shouldn't be about if he can return to Football, but why is he out!
DangerousDave86
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You read my mind haha
Can that be right? Seems to be making a rod that any woman who has had too much, had a one night stand and regretted it could then cry rape. I'm not disagreeing with you LP, just agreeing it doesn't seem fair
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Or vice versa ?.
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Most definately
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There was enough evidence to convict him. He's gone to appeal and lost. If it was really his word against hers he wouldn't have been convicted. The fact she was drunk is no defence nor is it a reason to convict.
It's really pointless questioning his guilt, or otherwise. He is a convicted, un rehabilitated sex offender and football shouldn't legitimise that.
It's really pointless questioning his guilt, or otherwise. He is a convicted, un rehabilitated sex offender and football shouldn't legitimise that.
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Well said, well summed up
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Many people in the past have been found to be innocent even though they have been convicted and spent time in jail
Unless there is something missing all the reports say he was found guilty of rape because she was too drunk to give consent
Also don't think he has had an appeal - it was denied
They are going through a second appeal process
The website certainly throws up a lot of interesting questions
The only evidence of what sexual activity occurred came from the accounts of his co-accused Clayton McDonald who also had sex with the complainant and was found not guilty of rape, Ched, and the night porter who was listening outside the room.
The police arrested both Ched and Clayton at the station, they acknowledged that the only evidence that sexual activity had taken place was their admission. There was no complaint of rape, no forensic evidence, no injury and no complaint.
Unless there is something missing all the reports say he was found guilty of rape because she was too drunk to give consent
Also don't think he has had an appeal - it was denied
They are going through a second appeal process
The website certainly throws up a lot of interesting questions
The only evidence of what sexual activity occurred came from the accounts of his co-accused Clayton McDonald who also had sex with the complainant and was found not guilty of rape, Ched, and the night porter who was listening outside the room.
The police arrested both Ched and Clayton at the station, they acknowledged that the only evidence that sexual activity had taken place was their admission. There was no complaint of rape, no forensic evidence, no injury and no complaint.
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garyinderry
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How could one of the footballers get found guilty and the other get off. If she can't remember anything after the kebab shop then she could consent to either of them.
Strange case this.
Strange case this.
At the end of the day he was convicted. Whether that was safe or not is of course open to debate. As he's now released where does he go from here?
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Obviously the website is only one side to the story but it has lots more details
It's very strange - the legal team appear very confident of getting the conviction quashed
But he is going to get abused up and down the country regardless when he starts playing again
There were a lot of inconsistencies which is why he wanted an appeal.
garyinderry
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From the cctv, she doesn't look overly drunk. Drunk enough to lose her handbag but sober enough to remember a pizza sitting on the floor outside the hotel.
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When interviewed separately both Clayton and Ched acknowledged consensual sexual activity with the complainant
Bit unfair to cut and paste selected parts from his website, the appeal was for a retrial which he was denied, that's why he's going for a 2nd appeal
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