ManinBlack
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Look at this & you'll have a few more facts. Can't see how the jury arrived at " beyond reasonable doubt"
http://www.chedevans.com
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Look at this & you'll have a few more facts. Can't see how the jury arrived at " beyond reasonable doubt"
http://www.chedevans.com
User20205
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It's a good question. Obviously on recent history anything goes. Rape, death by dangerous driving, and serious assault are all ok. It seems the only crime which gets a ban and all round condemnation is match fixing.
Rehabilitation has to start with admission of the crime, until then all you get is acceptance and justification.
The only reason the legal process is ongoing is because he's got deep pockets. Joe Bloggs, the plumber, would have to accept his conviction and move on.
User20205
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It's pretty safe to say, based on previous posts, you wouldn't have been selected for jury duty on this case
The website is hardly an independent source. Also there has been a history of his supporters engaging is bullying of the 'other' side. Including the prosecution of two people, I believe, for naming the victim.
The thread isn't guilty or not, it's about should he continue with his career. He has been convicted, not been rehabilitated, therefore he shouldn't be allowed to hold a high profile position. Why should the victim be made to re-live the crime every time he scores??
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All of which are now being challenged by the NFL Players Association.
drdel
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I thought prisons tried to get ALL inmates back into society and jobs. Why should this guy be treated worse; If he did commit the 'crime' then he's done the time - let him move on.
However there seems some doubt whether the girl was partially to blame or actually engaged in sex freely but then changed her mind and I must admit to some concern about whether his conviction was based on all the facts and truth.
However there seems some doubt whether the girl was partially to blame or actually engaged in sex freely but then changed her mind and I must admit to some concern about whether his conviction was based on all the facts and truth.
ManinBlack
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It's pretty safe to say, based on previous posts, you wouldn't have been selected for jury duty on this case
Sorry, I don't understand this, it was my first post. I know what the thread is about, I was commenting on Hacker's comment on a comment. No, the website isn't an independent source but it does contain a lot of undisputed facts which leave me incredulous about the jury's decision.
And it's not unusual for threads to wander from their original theme. I'd like to hear what anyone else thinks, having read some of the (undisputed) facts included on the website.
User20205
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Partially to blame???^^^^ I'm not sure what you mean.
ManinBlack
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Not the case. Her evidence stated that she remembered nothing between meeting Evans' friend in a kebab shop & waking up the next morning. She had also previously accused someone of rape but this evidence was deemed inadmissable!
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3 Appeal judges said no to an appeal, and are you sure you mean all those who do the time should be allowed to move on?
3 Appeal judges said no to an appeal, and are you sure you mean all those who do the time should be allowed to move on?
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davemc1
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Not read the thread as I'm sure topics of this kind of nature bring out the absolute opposite ends of opinion and more than likely end up in some kind of petty arguements.
however, for what it's worth, I'm not sure taking his career off him is the right way forward. but maybe to get out the limelight he should move abroad until his appeal is final and the furore has died down.
however, for what it's worth, I'm not sure taking his career off him is the right way forward. but maybe to get out the limelight he should move abroad until his appeal is final and the furore has died down.
Old Skier
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It's pretty safe to say, based on previous posts, you wouldn't have been selected for jury duty on this case
Why, does the court system now vet forums to see who can and cannot sit on a jury.
User20205
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You posted a couple of months ago, and I paraphrase, but you basically said if a girl was drunk she was complicit, partially to blame, for her rape. Those views would preclude you from serving on the jury.
Was he guilty, I don't know. He took advantage of a situation, and the jury was satisfied consent wasn't granted. He's not served his time, he has been convicted of a serious crime and served 2 1/2 years, that is shocking.
The argument should be why is he out, not should he play football.
ManinBlack
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Your paraphrasing is grossly innacurate.
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I think they decided that the was not coherent enough to be able to give consent to him and she can't remember what happened
He has said she was very capable and was without being crude all over him and was fully involved in the act
Believe there is a number of pics of her in the hotel
Appears to be a minefield of a case with the judgement of guilt very much still in doubt by people
Certainly appears to be a lot of unanswered questions and it appears thats why he has shown no remorse because he believe he is still innocent of rape
Also the initial sentence seems short ? Is it normally five years ?
Tashyboy
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Strange thing is he says she consented, I get that bit. She says she dint I get that bit. A jury decided in her favour. I get that.
what I don't get is that his girlfriend has stood by his side. Knowing full well he was involved in a drunken threesomes. He's cheated on her, and she stood by him. Whether he raped her or not and the jury believed he did. She stood by him. Very strange?
what I don't get is that his girlfriend has stood by his side. Knowing full well he was involved in a drunken threesomes. He's cheated on her, and she stood by him. Whether he raped her or not and the jury believed he did. She stood by him. Very strange?
User20205
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I have though this also. It's her old man that's bankrolling his continued defence. It's a sorry story, but her lack of ability to consent seems key.
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Guess she believes he deserves a second chance ?
ManinBlack
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Not true. She said she remembered nothing.
User20205
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And that to me demonstrates her inability to consent.
DangerousDave86
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If this is true, then how is a guy supposed to know whether a girl is wasted enough to be able to remember giving consent the next day?
I agree to many points being raised in this case.
- People are saying he shouldn't be allowed to return to his profession, yet there is nothing in the laws of the game which states this. Sheffield Utd should make their own decision based upon the pros and cons of resigning him.
- I've heard people say that he's served his sentence. He hasn't. He served half of it. What's the point of sentencing him for 5 if he's only going to serve 2.5?
- People are complaining that he isn't remorseful, yet he's maintaining his innocence, so why should he show remorse for something he believes he didn't do?
There is no way to prove whether the girl agreed to consensual sex with either of the two men, its his word versus hers, and while I don't know the facts, it would be interesting to know on what grounds he was charged, as there wouldn'tbe any physical evidence, I presume, only two very differing accounts of what happened.
What I find astonishing is that Ched Evan's missus has stayed with him throughout and supported him. Even if he is not guilty of rape, he's still cheated on her, and admitted it, I know I wouldn't stick around.
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