Checking on the Veracity of a Handicap

[mikejohnchapman]

We had an awkward situation at our club which I would appreciate some help with.

We have an open pairs competition each year which is popular with local clubs. This year an ex-member (from a while ago) entered with a stated HI of 17.0. He was off single figures when he left us and went to a course with a lower course rating and slope index.

We can now see his playing record via the EG Platform and it looks a bit strange with 3 of the 5 scores recorded being identical having the effect of making his HI the same as his old exact handicap and giving him a course handicap of 20.

In the circumstances what could we do to express our concern with the players handicap?

 

[mikejohnchapman]

Apologies, the ex-member was single figures when he left us. He now has a HI of 17 at his new club. This will give him a playing handicap of 20 if he plays at our club.

 

[rulefan]

Apologies, the ex-member was single figures when he left us. He now has a HI of 17 at his new club. This will give him a playing handicap of 20 if he plays at our club.

As you have access to his playing record, when and where were his best 8 of 20 played? How do these 5 scores impact his last 20?

 

[mikejohnchapman]

As you have access to his playing record, when and where were his best 8 of 20 played? How do these 5 scores impact his last 20?

He only has 5 scores in his playing record - 3 of which are identical and the other 2 are used to calculate his HI of 17.

 

[Smiffy]

"The ex-member was single figures when he left us. He now has a handicap of 17 at his new club".

Maybe he's been having lessons with Homers Pro in between???

 

[rulefan]

He only has 5 scores in his playing record - 3 of which are identical and the other 2 are used to calculate his HI of 17.

When did he leave your club? Prior to 2018? Where is his previous playing record?

 

[SammmeBee]

Just don’t accept their entry....?

 

[mikejohnchapman]

Just don’t accept their entry....?

On what basis - that's my problem.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

When did he leave your club? Prior to 2018? Where is his previous playing record?

He left in 2017 I believe. Before my time as handicap secretary and I couldn't find and reference to him in the documentation I inherited (mainly annual reviews).

 

[fundy]

Apologies, the ex-member was single figures when he left us. He now has a HI of 17 at his new club. This will give him a playing handicap of 20 if he plays at our club.

Does he have a catchy nickname like "short game wizard" too?

 

[rulefan]

He left in 2017 I believe. Before my time as handicap secretary and I couldn't find and reference to him in the documentation I inherited (mainly annual reviews).

Have an informal word with the manager/sec of his new club.
How long was it between leaving and joining? Did he advise them of his previous handicap? Has he been injured/ill? .........

 

[RichA]

You could always ask the person in question directly and diplomatically. There might be a genuine reason or innocent explanation.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

Does he have a catchy nickname like "short game wizard" too?

Oh you know him then ...............

 

[2blue]

Have an informal word with the manager/sec of his new club.
How long was it between leaving and joining? Did he advise them of his previous handicap? Has he been injured/ill? .........

^^^^^^ This is the way to go IMHO. Please do let us know the result...... it is indeed a tricky one, potentialy.

 

[SammmeBee]

On what basis - that's my problem.

It’s your competition so you choose who plays and who doesn’t. Don’t think you owe any explanation to someone who isn’t a member of your club......

 

[IanM]

We once had a chap who "reappeared at different clubs" and "started again" off 20 odd.... won lots of vouchers then moved on whem his handicap fell to its correct level. This was pre CDH which made it easier. The local secs put emails round about him. He turned up at another new place, put a card in marked "for handicap" ...the sec returned it with a note saying, "no need as we can transfer your handicap from your previous club." He resigned immediately...lost track of him after that!

Not saying your chap has done anything of the sort... but these folk are out there... CDH or not!

 

[Old Skier]

He left in 2017 I believe. Before my time as handicap secretary and I couldn't find and reference to him in the documentation I inherited (mainly annual reviews).

Sounds like one of those that changes clubs and thinks they don’t have to declare a previous HC and I suspect ”can’t “ remember his CDH No and uses the “haven’t played for a while” excuse.

Ask his club if he declared a previous HC.