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MadAdey said:
Not going to say they got what they deserved, but the big blue bus tactic backfired on them. At that stage of the CL to play the first and not get an away goal, or even try to get one is a dangerous game to play.
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Which is odd, because many would have us believe it was a tactical masterclass in the first leg. I have nothing against Chelsea, up until the equaliser I thought they played quite well, but the sooner the media realise that putting 11 men behind the ball and hoping for a mistake or to nick a goal in games you aren't expected to win ISN'T the work of a tactical mastermind the better it will be for football as a whole.
 
HawkeyeMS said:
Which is odd, because many would have us believe it was a tactical masterclass in the first leg. I have nothing against Chelsea, up until the equaliser I thought they played quite well, but the sooner the media realise that putting 11 men behind the ball and hoping for a mistake or to nick a goal in games you aren't expected to win ISN'T the work of a tactical mastermind the better it will be for football as a whole.
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I find it funny that when West Ham do it to Chelsea as they can't match them at their game it's negative football and is killing the game, but when Jose does it teams that Chelsea cant match at their game he's a tactical mastermind.

Nothing to do with the fact that the press are in thrall to Jose as he fills up a few back pages or a few minutes on the sports reports for them;)
 
Hacker Khan said:
I find it funny that when West Ham do it to Chelsea as they can't match them at their game it's negative football and is killing the game, but when Jose does it teams that Chelsea cant match at their game he's a tactical mastermind.

Nothing to do with the fact that the press are in thrall to Jose as he fills up a few back pages or a few minutes on the sports reports for them;)
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i think their is a slight difference in that west ham during that game had no intention to even cross the half way line. Chelsea set up first to not lose, and then to try and get a win. It's not worked this time, but I think to question Jose record is a bit naive. I think he knows that without a striker they can't go toe to toe with anyone. If they get one next year it could be different.
 
Papas1982 said:
i think their is a slight difference in that west ham during that game had no intention to even cross the half way line. Chelsea set up first to not lose, and then to try and get a win. It's not worked this time, but I think to question Jose record is a bit naive. I think he knows that without a striker they can't go toe to toe with anyone. If they get one next year it could be different.
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His record is not in question, it's the rubbish that comes out of his mouth that's making him look stupid.
So, if he knows his strikers are not good enough, why did he loan out Lukaku almost immediately after saying 'he's going nowhere'?


Slime.
 
Slime said:
His record is not in question, it's the rubbish that comes out of his mouth that's making him look stupid.
So, if he knows his strikers are not good enough, why did he loan out Lukaku almost immediately after saying 'he's going nowhere'?


Slime.
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well his comment that is being compared to is the performance by west ham in comparison to his teams recently. IMO they're different because Chelsea look to counter and west ham looked to defend without attack. For all the complaints by pool fans recently, facts renin that game they didn't have a shot of note til 2nd half. Re Lukaka he obv doesn't rate him, he looks to be wrong on that. But all managers make bad calls on players. That said, performing at Everton or WBA has a lot less pressure than at Chelsea. Maybe he doesn't think he has the temperament for a top four club?

I do think he spouts rubbish on occassion but that's a tactic used as a diversion. Much like Fergie did for years and Rodgers does now when he takes the blame for a pourous defence. Managers always deflect attention, I'm just curious why so much is made of mourinho doing it. I cannonly assume it's envy.
 
Papas1982 said:
well his comment that is being compared to is the performance by west ham in comparison to his teams recently. IMO they're different because Chelsea look to counter and west ham looked to defend without attack. For all the complaints by pool fans recently, facts renin that game they didn't have a shot of note til 2nd half. Re Lukaka he obv doesn't rate him, he looks to be wrong on that. But all managers make bad calls on players. That said, performing at Everton or WBA has a lot less pressure than at Chelsea. Maybe he doesn't think he has the temperament for a top four club?

I do think he spouts rubbish on occassion but that's a tactic used as a diversion. Much like Fergie did for years and Rodgers does now when he takes the blame for a pourous defence. Managers always deflect attention, I'm just curious why so much is made of mourinho doing it. I can only assume it's envy.
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I think an awful lot of criticism of both managers and players is based on this.
The ammount of crap Ronaldo got when a United player was laughable. I'd like to know of any supporter who wouldn't want Ronaldo at their club ............................... just one. Then I'd like them to justify that call!
Mourinho, in my opinion, is a nasty, petulant, classless individual who's tactical ability cannot be doubted, unfortunately.


Slime.

P.S. It was great to see Terry in tears again though!
 
Slime said:
I think an awful lot of criticism of both managers and players is based on this.
The ammount of crap Ronaldo got when a United player was laughable. I'd like to know of any supporter who wouldn't want Ronaldo at their club ............................... just one. Then I'd like them to justify that call!
Mourinho, in my opinion, is a nasty, petulant, classless individual who's tactical ability cannot be doubted, unfortunately.


Slime.

P.S. It was great to see Terry in tears again though!
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i agree on both counts. Being a fan of a smaller club it's a lot easier to admire players as a neutral. The Ronaldo critics are hilarious. His record is as good as anybody's.
 
Papas1982 said:
i think their is a slight difference in that west ham during that game had no intention to even cross the half way line. Chelsea set up first to not lose, and then to try and get a win. It's not worked this time, but I think to question Jose record is a bit naive. I think he knows that without a striker they can't go toe to toe with anyone. If they get one next year it could be different.
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Sorry but the striker line that keeps getting peddled doesn't wash

When Maureen arrived they already had

Torres - £50mil
Ba - £10 mil
Lukaku -£17mil ( after add ons )

Plus Schurrle was arriving for £18 mil

So that's 4 forwards he had to pick from

He then sent Lukaku on loan and brought in Etoo

So he has strikers at the club - more strikers than we have got , more than most
 
Slime said:
I think an awful lot of criticism of both managers and players is based on this.
The ammount of crap Ronaldo got when a United player was laughable. I'd like to know of any supporter who wouldn't want Ronaldo at their club ............................... just one. Then I'd like them to justify that call!
Mourinho, in my opinion, is a nasty, petulant, classless individual who's tactical ability cannot be doubted, unfortunately.


Slime.

P.S. It was great to see Terry in tears again though!
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I don't like Ronaldo - would have someone with his ability at the club but just don't like his attitude

I think he is a classless cry baby who is also very selfish on the pitch

Would take Messi over him every day of the week.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I don't like Ronaldo - would have someone with his ability at the club but just don't like his attitude

I think he is a classless cry baby who is also very selfish on the pitch

Would take Messi over him every day of the week.
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I think most Liverpool supporters would ........................... I wonder why?


Slime.
 
HawkeyeMS said:
Which is odd, because many would have us believe it was a tactical masterclass in the first leg.
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Or a calculated gamble that they could outscore Atletico in the 2nd leg. I found it hard to believe that they could shut them out for a second game, so Chelsea would need to score at least twice. He took a chance IMO and it has backfired. If he had tried to get a goal in Madrid then they could have had the luxury of an away goal.

When I say get a goal I do not meen go for it and risk getting hammered, but at least when the chance to attack happened then have a go and see if they could get an away.

Either wa ythe y are out now. If they had got through then it would have been good tactics in Madrid, but they got knocked out so maybe they where not. But that is football, you make your decisions and then have to take it on the chin if they do no work.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Sorry but the striker line that keeps getting peddled doesn't wash

When Maureen arrived they already had

Torres - £50mil
Ba - £10 mil
Lukaku -£17mil ( after add ons )

Plus Schurrle was arriving for £18 mil

So that's 4 forwards he had to pick from

He then sent Lukaku on loan and brought in Etoo

So he has strikers at the club - more strikers than we have got , more than most
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They could have 50 strikers and still have more than you. I'll re word it. As they don't have a world class striker they can't go head to head. Torres may have cost £50m but he clearly isn't any good anymore, should mourinho persist with him just because if price tag. Same as ba and etoo are stop gaps.

Mourinho has only bought etoo who has done ok in spells. If Chelsea sign cavani or someone and don't ruin another striker then I'll hold my hands up and say it's all mourinho a fault. But at then Ite their strike force is not top 4 material.and that's not just down to his tactics
 
Papas1982 said:
They could have 50 strikers and still have more than you. I'll re word it. As they don't have a world class striker they can't go head to head. Torres may have cost £50m but he clearly isn't any good anymore, should mourinho persist with him just because if price tag. Same as ba and etoo are stop gaps.

Mourinho has only bought etoo who has done ok in spells. If Chelsea sign cavani or someone and don't ruin another striker then I'll hold my hands up and say it's all mourinho a fault. But at then Ite their strike force is not top 4 material.and that's not just down to his tactics
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Don't need a world class striker to win the CL :thup:
 
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