Cambridge Uni students reject Remembrance Day

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Fish said:
When you’ve done tours of NI as I have, and you’re against an enemy without a uniform, and you’re walking the streets not knowing where the next petrol bomb, sniper shot or nail bomb may come from as you’re walking with and protecting the RUC foot patrols, then I’ll allow you to debate with me something like NI and any of the situations that occurred over there, because without that personal experience you’ll never understand the tensions and actions that take place when you either come under live fire attack or believe you’re in a life threatening situation from an enemy you can’t identify, because they were all terrorist cowards.
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Sure what would I know about Northern Ireland?!

And wow. Did you REALLY just imply that everyone killed on Bloody Sunday was a terrorist coward?
 
Del_Boy said:
If others want to go there it’s up to them - you don’t have to
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Its a very emotive subject where thinks can and have got out of hand in the past - the thread wasnt created so that people can start up that again.

If people want to talk about that incident maybe start a seperate thread for it
 
maxfli65 said:
No easy answer, I lost a couple of great uncles as young men in WW1 amd my grandfather won the Military Medal at Ypres but these days I don't choose to wear a poppy or attend any armistice day events or make a point of observing a minutes silence at 11 on the 11th (is it?) either though I've no objection to observing it if others want to. Not intentional, just how it is. I did the flag carrying for Scouts and laid wreaths on behalf of my school back in 80s but there were still a lot of WW1 veterans alive then and memories for the older generation of the day ran stronger I think, plus I just did what I was told, I don't think there's any left now. I don't particularly agree or disagree with the Cambridge students, but how long do we keep doing this? I can see the reasoning for it and I'm not offended by that.
Every conflict that the UK has been a part of since WW1, and there's been quite a few, have now climbed on the WW1 remembrance event bandwagon it seems. Being a former military power in the world is hard to let go it seems.
The normal rhetoric of 'we've got the best armed forces in the world' you hear on tv on repeat just rings a bit hollow for me tbh, just sounds like usual spin we've heard for decades. Every country that loves to fly its flag and chest beat claims that. I did empathise with the Irish McLean footballer who got castigated for his views on not wearing a poppy as it symbolised/glorified British military. Personal choice should be respected too.
War is grim, it's civilians, women and kids who suffer most and the fact human being as a species cant seem to get beyond war and tribalism is a sad reflection on us all. Any kind of celebration of it is going to be divisive. At some stage you have to move on.
In summary I'm a bit indifferent to it, attend Armistice events and wear poppies if you wish but don't force it on people and now we've reached 100 years anniversary is it not time to stop?
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I guess you stop paying your respects once a year to those who gave their lives for our freedom when you either lose your respect or lose your freedom.
 
RandG said:
I think it was more than that, more like everyone there other than his side.
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If someone had endangered life or was about to endanger life, I didn’t or wouldn’t ask them within my warning, if I had time, if they were UDA, PIRA, UVF or INLA, I’d shoot, period, irrelevant of which side of the fence they were. I was there to protect anyone, if that meant I had to open fire on a UVF terrorist, which wouldn’t be known at the time, who’d just shot at a known PIRA terrorist, then so be it.

Don’t assume you know, unless you’ve done tours over there what it’s like, because you won’t have a clue.
 
Kellfire said:
I’d say my blanket respect falls away when the age of conscription ended.
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This shows you ignorance on the subject. Pop over to northern France, look on the dates on the memorials and you will see that many died before conscription started in the First WW. You appear to suggest in your posts that only those that were conscripted are worthy of remembrance.

Your welcome to your opinions but please ensure you have some knowledge on the subject.

As to your dipping your toe in the actions during Bloody Sunday, your way out of your depth.
 
Fish said:
Don’t assume you know, unless you’ve done tours over there what it’s like, because you won’t have a clue.
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Was that their argument for getting away with it ? Here was me thinking you had to act lawfully, my mistake.
 
Old Skier said:
This shows you ignorance on the subject. Pop over to northern France, look on the dates on the memorials and you will see that many died before conscription started in the First WW. You appear to suggest in your posts that only those that were conscripted are worthy of remembrance.

Your welcome to your opinions but please ensure you have some knowledge on the subject.

As to your dipping your toe in the actions during Bloody Sunday, your way out of your depth.
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Out of my depth? Nah. Born and raised in Northern Ireland. I’ll take my knowledge and experience over any ex-soldier who admits they would indiscriminately open fire on anyone they deemed a threat. Not that the army stopped there on Bloody Sunday. They knowingly shot on innocents.

You’re also implying I’ve said things I haven’t. Don’t do that.
 
Kellfire said:
Out of my depth? Nah. Born and raised in Northern Ireland. I’ll take my knowledge and experience over any ex-soldier who admits they would indiscriminately open fire on anyone they deemed a threat. Not that the army stopped there on Bloody Sunday. They knowingly shot on innocents.

You’re also implying I’ve said things I haven’t. Don’t do that.
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Not implying anything, just reading what you posted.

You were there and still able to talk about it. Wasn't that indiscriminate then was it.

Two judicial reviews that didn't suit the few. So we have another and another until the conclusion that suits the few is reached. Seems to be a common theme these days.
 
Fish said:
Don’t mix my words, you’re trying to create something that I clearly didn’t say.
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He’s just responding to your comments. Also it appears your mixing your own words having edited your reply previously calling old whatever his name is a f****** prick and leftie
 
Kellfire said:
Out of my depth? Nah. Born and raised in Northern Ireland. I’ll take my knowledge and experience over any ex-soldier who admits they would indiscriminately open fire on anyone they deemed a threat.
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Except that the soldiers were there simply because it was their job, I was never brave enough to walk the streets of Belfast knowing that the next corner could be the last one I turned. If I thought that might be the case I'd certainly shoot first and ask questions later if I was being threatened. It's interesting that your knowledge and experience is much more important than Fish's !
 
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