Del_Boy
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I don’t see that I’m afraid
Kellfire
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Being called a troll for disagreeing with someone. The internet at its finest.
Phil - I used the best example of reasons I don’t give blanket respect to the armed forces. There are others. Iraq. Afghanistan. Our lack of action against Israel.
All these happened in an age of choice, not conscription. And anyone who represents the UK in those actions does NOT get my full respect because I cannot respect their rationale for doing so.
Phil - I used the best example of reasons I don’t give blanket respect to the armed forces. There are others. Iraq. Afghanistan. Our lack of action against Israel.
All these happened in an age of choice, not conscription. And anyone who represents the UK in those actions does NOT get my full respect because I cannot respect their rationale for doing so.
This is a case of sensationalist journalism / media headlines and a poorly titled OP. I wonder how many people have actually read the facts of that has happened here.
They haven't 'rejected' Remembrance Sunday, or banned anything to do with RS that was previously done on campus. The rejection is of a motion specific to Remembrance Sunday and beginng active support of it, instead encouraging all war veterans regardless of nationality or conflict be commemorated across the uni.
Doesn't quite sound as good in the right wing papers though.
FWIW I do think it is pretty poor they didn't pass it specific to UK veterans and RS. No reason why they couldn't also have a 2nd motion to show support for other nationalities, but they are supposed to be a British institution and should show specific support to the forces that allow them to have the luxuries and freedom to study they do today.
They haven't 'rejected' Remembrance Sunday, or banned anything to do with RS that was previously done on campus. The rejection is of a motion specific to Remembrance Sunday and beginng active support of it, instead encouraging all war veterans regardless of nationality or conflict be commemorated across the uni.
Doesn't quite sound as good in the right wing papers though.
FWIW I do think it is pretty poor they didn't pass it specific to UK veterans and RS. No reason why they couldn't also have a 2nd motion to show support for other nationalities, but they are supposed to be a British institution and should show specific support to the forces that allow them to have the luxuries and freedom to study they do today.
Foxholer
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Bleeding heck! some common sense at last!
Old Skier
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That's very selective. The last conscripted soldier left in 1963. Since the end of WW2 members of the armed forces have been killed in conflicts every year apart from 1968 right up till the later part of the 2000's. They were sent into these conflicts under the orders of the elected government of the day which were elected by you and others like you.
It may be hard to believe but serving personnel don't stick a pin in a map and shoot off for a day in the sun.
Kellfire
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I’ve said I don’t have blanket respect. I haven’t said I don’t respect any.
You really aren’t reading what I’m saying are you?
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The question still remains - why bring in Bloody Sunday when you know the reaction it will create and Always will create.
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That’s why we still sell Poppies.....folk are still in the firing line...sent there by politicians not fit to lace their boots...
Kellfire
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Because I don’t think anyone should commemorate the armed forces in this nation in such a wide sweeping way.
Why keep asking the same answered question over and over?
Kellfire
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And I don’t support a single one of them. They can quit. Anyone who fights for a cause I don’t believe in doesn’t get my respect.
Can they though?
Let’s say soldier x loses a family member during a legit terrorist event. S/He signs up, the conflict is over before they are fully trained and set to battle.
Can they just quit their job like anyone else?
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How else can people be remembered ? You cant split them up and only remember certain people on one day and then others on another
When it comes to the day it appears more and more are making sweeping judgements based on more modern day conflicts - N Ireland , Falklands , Balkans , Gulf etc and each one has its own story ( especially when it comes to the politics ) but people seem to want to ignore what went on before that was beyond critical to our freedom right now. You have issues with what on in N Ireland and i will always be able to see why because my family went through it BUT i and other can see past that and remember the ones that lost their lives just follow orders and protecting us all - its a shame some cant and use one thing to give it all a blanket ban ( not finger pointing at you )
Old Skier
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As you pointed out, members of the armed forces are paid to do a job, not be selective and pick and choose. Why do you think your causes are any more righteous than others.
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Which causes are they ?
In recent years its been - peace keeping against ethinc cleansing , war against terrorism and mass murder.
Guys join to do their bit for the country - their cause is "defending the country " thats the main , that is the main job - to defend
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For the sake of clarity...are you referring to the soldier or the politician? I assume the latter as the former can’t quit....and they don’t need your respect....
Sweep
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unsurprisingly you took my use of the term “you†too literally. I meant it more in terms of society in general.
No need for anyone to keep guessing. You made your view very clear, which was why I felt compelled to reply.
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All I know is a couple of months ago I made a commitment to get up tomorrow morning at 7.00 am to hang poppies on lamp posts with ex service men who are now members of the British legion. Since then I had the option of having another nights session in Liverpool. I choose getting up at 7.00am ahead of Liverpool. It is forecast to bladder it down tomorrow morning. For me it will be a honour and privelage to be involved. If others cannot see the irony, that the ultimate sacrifice by others gives people the freedom of speech today, on here. Well let's just say that Tashyboy won't worry about that.
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Nope they can't just quit there job give a couple of weeks notice and move on..
They sign up for a minimum term of 4years & 3month's as an adult soldier don't get to quit before that time.. then when they resign again for a specific set period..
Plus didn't you yourself say they're paid to do a job, so when some numpty politician sends them to do a job that they're paid for what do you expect them to do quit! Oh wait no that , so they do the job their paid for. You can throw that back at me if you want they choose to, but without those that choose to do it where would we be then! Back at being conscripted so worse scenario...
Plus when these guys are out there doing a job the cause becomes a by product of what their fighting for the main reason transforms into keeping each other alive..... trust me I should know 12 years and numerous tours of Iraq, Afghanistan, NI, the Congo and Balkans.
If you Wish not to support that's cool totally your choice, if people dont want to wear a poppy again freedom or choice, if people want to not remember that's fine BUT don't tarnish everyone that's served post conscription era with the Bloody Sunday tag because it suits your agenda.
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Kellfire
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Ah so you’re an ex-squaddy. That explains that.