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thecraw
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Wish my yearly salary was half as much as some of those bloomin "expenses claims"!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Caddies lining up putts
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Wish my yearly salary was half as much as some of those bloomin "expenses claims"!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Macster
Journeyman Pro
"Would you also expect Westwood not to ask Garcia his opinion on a 6 footer to win a point on the final green during the fourballs in the Ryder Cup?"
Opinion.....YES. - Its a Team Event, not Single Stokeplay.
Lay on Floor till he's lined up as near perfect as poss, .......NO.
Its against the ethics of the game, and 'Outside assistance' of the highest order, end of.
So Craw, you wouldnt mind if one of your Medal partner's this Saturday brought along a friend to do the same ?
And before you reply,........of course you would.
Opinion.....YES. - Its a Team Event, not Single Stokeplay.
Lay on Floor till he's lined up as near perfect as poss, .......NO.
Its against the ethics of the game, and 'Outside assistance' of the highest order, end of.
So Craw, you wouldnt mind if one of your Medal partner's this Saturday brought along a friend to do the same ?
And before you reply,........of course you would.
freddielong
Tour Winner
But isn't thinking and the mental side of golf part of the skill that has to be learned, making the right decisions at the right time if a caddy changes a players approach to a shot is that not a step to far.
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thecraw
Guest
Sorry,
You are wrong, if a playing partner of mine either in a medal or the matchplay competitions had a CADDY and had the caddy all round then no I would not or could not complain as they chose to have a caddy, just like I could have opted for a caddy.
However is a playing partners friend suddenly appeared and was not a CADDY then sadly that person would be disqualified. Its all about knowing the rules.
Hope that clarifys that point.
You are wrong, if a playing partner of mine either in a medal or the matchplay competitions had a CADDY and had the caddy all round then no I would not or could not complain as they chose to have a caddy, just like I could have opted for a caddy.
However is a playing partners friend suddenly appeared and was not a CADDY then sadly that person would be disqualified. Its all about knowing the rules.
Hope that clarifys that point.
freddielong
Tour Winner
I was not, and am not looking for you to clarify anything, I know the rules. - I was just making the point that I would change them.
Big_D
Hacker
If my memory serves me correct I believe Faldo had a Shrink on the bag playing in the 2000 US Open. I remember some lame joke about him carting a couch around in his tour bag.
Macster
Journeyman Pro
Craw: I dont think anyone who is reading this thread is in any doubt at all that its within the rules.
Otherwise they wouldnt do it.
What we are debating is whether its within the spirit that Golf is intended, and that it can very possibly be deemed 'outside assistance', and therefore shouldbreak the rules
Drivers & clubs get outlawed, so should this, and I dont think for a minute any of them would go running off to form another Tour.
Otherwise they wouldnt do it.
What we are debating is whether its within the spirit that Golf is intended, and that it can very possibly be deemed 'outside assistance', and therefore shouldbreak the rules
Drivers & clubs get outlawed, so should this, and I dont think for a minute any of them would go running off to form another Tour.
Ken_A
Tour Rookie
I was there too. The leading group where 2 holes behind the 3 in front of them - yes it was slow but I dont think the speed of play was much to do with putting. They took their time over club selection.
Personally I just laughed at the caddy lieing down and using the flagstick to get show the line without touching the line. No problem in my eyes - perhaps the TV coverage made it seem longer.
Faldo_Fan
Head Pro
That was bordering on the ridiculous at the weekend, Rocks caddy laying on the floor to line up his bosses putt is laughable.
Bones McKay (Phil Mick's caddy) is equally as annoying standing over the ball with his imaginary putter in his hand.....knob! Mickleson even has to move him out of the way sometimes so he can get a look at the line!!!!!!
Bones McKay (Phil Mick's caddy) is equally as annoying standing over the ball with his imaginary putter in his hand.....knob! Mickleson even has to move him out of the way sometimes so he can get a look at the line!!!!!!
10luke
Newbie
dont really see a problem, proiding it doesn't make play slow. caddies help with club selection, type of shot required etc already, its only an extension to also help with putting.
Its a fair option thats available to everyone. personally, i couldnt stand it, i hardly ever take advice from a partner in matchplay. id rather make a decision and trust myself and not have a second opinion confusing me. if a player feels he benefits from a second opinion then that's their choice
Its a fair option thats available to everyone. personally, i couldnt stand it, i hardly ever take advice from a partner in matchplay. id rather make a decision and trust myself and not have a second opinion confusing me. if a player feels he benefits from a second opinion then that's their choice
mattdeeks
Challenge Tour Pro
As long as it doesn't take too long I don't see a problem. The caddie tells the the player he has 150yds to the pin why not tell him the ball breaks 2 cups to the left etc etc....
freddielong
Tour Winner
You have to admit it goes to far on the LPGA tours they get lined up for full shots, ridiculous
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
The OP isn't (I think) complaining about getting advice, more that once a line has been chosen, the player should be able to align himself and his putter to the chosen line without being told by bernie the bolt to go left a bit, right a bit, no left a bit more, yep, that is it, you are now on the line we chose, just hit it.
KeefG
Journeyman Pro
You're correct Murph, what Rocks caddy was doing was waiting til Rock was taking his practice swing with the putter and telling him where he needed to point. At that point and once he was satisfied he was aligned properly, he walked away while Rock addressed the ball and took his putt.
Its lame to say the least!
Draw a bloody big line around the ball like we all do to align instead of using your caddy you great big poofter!
viscount17
Money List Winner
I'd go further as I cannot see any reason for a caddie to even be on the green other than to tend a flag - and that only takes one caddie out of the group.
rgs
Tour Rookie
No problem with caddies providing advice on the line but think telling a pro hes lined up correctly should be outlawed.
As stated on the LPGA tour caddies line up wood and iron shots--what tosh.
Pros should lined up their own shots.
As stated on the LPGA tour caddies line up wood and iron shots--what tosh.
Pros should lined up their own shots.
clubchamp07
Journeyman Pro
While at the Irish Open I noticed Monty's caddie on every green shouted to the crowd to stand still or to be quiet. I noticed after the 2nd shout, Monty was ready to putt. This must be in his pre shot routine. The only hole he didn't do it was the 72nd by which time it didnt matter. I agree with Bid D that Robert Rock didn't take that long over putts.
What really did surprise me during the weekend golf was the speed some of the players walked at. Some of them were so slow the greens needed cutting before they reached them. Sunday was the only day which some of the groups lost any ground. I stayed at the 9th green most of Thursday and Friday and the flow of play was great.
Does anyone know where next years Irish Open is being played?
What really did surprise me during the weekend golf was the speed some of the players walked at. Some of them were so slow the greens needed cutting before they reached them. Sunday was the only day which some of the groups lost any ground. I stayed at the 9th green most of Thursday and Friday and the flow of play was great.
Does anyone know where next years Irish Open is being played?
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