Brexit - The negotiations.

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Mudball said:
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How soon before you and @hacker are called anti-nationals and not wanting for UK to succeed? Please dont post such dire facts or reminders of what was promised v/s reality. It is easier to comment on complex threads like Trump or Broken dishwashers than such simple life changing threads...

PS: We have left and we are taking our ball with us. This is what the people voted for (some may argue they did not know what they voted for)
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Oh, already invited to move to Europe by at least one other person on this thread.

I would argue that acceding to the group delusion and supporting a disastrous Brexit is anti-national.

I know we have left, but we have not quite finally decided what to do with our ball, or who adjudicates if there is a dispute over its ownership.

As a matter of law, people actually voted only to inform Parliament that they wished to leave and for Parliament to consider that result.
 
drdel said:
Really! More personal insults and OTT derogatory comments about those who dare to think or voted differently to you....
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Kindly get your facts right - something that SHOULD be important to someone in your supposed position...
Nothing 'personal' nor 'OTT derogatory' about Ethan's 'comments' imo. (And I'd say similar if it was the other way around too!). I'd call them simply a contrary view emphatically put!
If a contrary opinion offends you so much, kindly point out the actual offence! It seems to me that it's YOU that's providing the 'personal abuse'!
drdel said:
...Since you have no evidence how the UK may have developed outside the EU your claim the UK benefitted 'greatly' is entirely without substance .
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All a matter of opinion! But I believe UK's progress/maintenance of position in world economies is evidence of how much EU membership has contributed to that status. It's likely, imo, to take a (hopefully temporary) hit from the consequences of Brexit - that I'm certain will be seen as confirmation of the error by SOME Remainers - but, hopefully. the effects will be minimal! Roll on all year round Kiwi Lamb and Kangaroo Steaks!
 
Foxholer said:
Kindly get your facts right - something that SHOULD be important to someone in your supposed position...
Nothing 'personal' nor 'OTT derogatory' about Ethan's 'comments' imo. (And I'd say similar if it was the other way around too!). I'd call them simply a contrary view emphatically put!
If a contrary opinion offends you so much, kindly point out the actual offence! It seems to me that it's YOU that's providing the 'personal abuse'!

All a matter of opinion! But I believe UK's progress/maintenance of position in world economies is evidence of how much EU membership has contributed to that status. It's likely, imo, to take a (hopefully temporary) hit from the consequences of Brexit - that I'm certain will be seen as confirmation of the error by SOME Remainers - but, hopefully. the effects will be minimal! Roll on all year round Kiwi Lamb and Kangaroo Steaks!
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personal opinion... but i like Kiwi Lamb better than French Snails..
 
SocketRocket said:
We'll play with theirs if they play with ours!
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so if they dont give us preferential treatment, then we will go elsewhere. also if they give us pref treatment, then we will still go elsewhere.. i will sign up for this.

(BTW, which way is the trade deficit going these days?)
 
Mudball said:
so if they dont give us preferential treatment, then we will go elsewhere. also if they give us pref treatment, then we will still go elsewhere.. i will sign up for this.

(BTW, which way is the trade deficit going these days?)
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Don't follow that logic. None of us are going anywhere, we will still both be trading very much as we always have, probably some slight differences that won't make any great changes. Of course we will still be going elsewhere we always have, the USA is elsewhere, India is elsewhere, China, Australia, Brazil, Canada and Japan are all elsewhere, lots of places are and why would we not want to go there?

Trade deficit is still in favour of the EU although you would never think so :unsure:
 
SocketRocket said:
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Trade deficit is still in favour of the EU although you would never think so :unsure:
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THE Trade deficit to March 2020 has been revised to 4 Billion (after an (improvement) adjustment of 2.7 Billion resulting mainly from a 2.2 Billion reduction in services imports)!

And always worth remembering that UK Trade exports to EU is something around 43 percent of UK trade (and imports around 49%, while EU 'exports' to UK are about 8% of EU exports! So UK is (percentage-wise) far more dependent on EU than EU is on UK!
 
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Foxholer said:
THE Trade deficit to March 2020 has been revised to 4 Billion (after an (improvement) adjustment of 2.7 Billion resulting mainly from a 2.2 Billion reduction in services imports)!

And always worth remembering that UK Trade exports to EU is something around 43 percent of UK trade (and imports around 49%, while EU 'exports' to UK are about 8% of EU exports! So UK is (percentage-wise) far more dependent on EU than EU is on UK!
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All this is going to change.. while we may not have the cars that the Germans want, we will soon have a vaccine that the world wants.... If Barnier wants a vaccine, he better sign up to our terms.. simples..
 
Foxholer said:
THE Trade deficit to March 2020 has been revised to 4 Billion (after an (improvement) adjustment of 2.7 Billion resulting mainly from a 2.2 Billion reduction in services imports)!

And always worth remembering that UK Trade exports to EU is something around 43 percent of UK trade (and imports around 49%, while EU 'exports' to UK are about 8% of EU exports! So UK is (percentage-wise) far more dependent on EU than EU is on UK!
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So my comment was correct, thanks for the confirmation.

The percentages of trade is not very pertinent as most of it with the EU is with the larger Western European countries and not representative across the block. The UK trade with France, Germany etc is very important to those countries and they will have to pay the deficit with the loss of the UK. Let's get away from the concept that trade will stop after Brexit, you know and I know it will continue much as before and probably with a new trade agreement.
 
Mudball said:
All this is going to change.. while we may not have the cars that the Germans want, we will soon have a vaccine that the world wants.... If Barnier wants a vaccine, he better sign up to our terms.. simples..
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The EU already has a deal in place for 300 million doses of the Oxford/Astra Zeneca vaccine. There would be no sense in the UK trying to block export, not that it could.

But what if the AZ vaccine fails and one produced in the EU by BioNTech or Sanofi is the best candidate? Should the shoe be on the other foot then?
 
Ethan said:
The EU already has a deal in place for 300 million doses of the Oxford/Astra Zeneca vaccine. There would be no sense in the UK trying to block export, not that it could.

But what if the AZ vaccine fails and one produced in the EU by BioNTech or Sanofi is the best candidate? Should the shoe be on the other foot then?
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The WHO has said that Covid Vaccines should not be held by countries but used Worldwide on a most vulnerable basis. I hope this is what happens.
 
SocketRocket said:
The WHO has said that Covid Vaccines should not be held by countries but used Worldwide on a most vulnerable basis. I hope this is what happens.
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But hasnt Trump tried to buy all of the ones from some German biotech firm.. we could do the same.. We could also follow the American example and withdraw from the WHO.. .. i say our vaccine, our rights (just like our fishes)
 
SocketRocket said:
The WHO has said that Covid Vaccines should not be held by countries but used Worldwide on a most vulnerable basis. I hope this is what happens.
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In recent years countries of the world have been growing further apart and more adversarial. 15-20 years ago I'd have shared your hope but sadly can't see it now.
 
SocketRocket said:
So my comment was correct, thanks for the confirmation....
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That was the overall deficit - not simply EU.
But it appears you are happy that UK continues to owe more and more to EU (and others)! That doesn't sound like sound economics! If your (ex) company had that problem, iIm certain you'd want to do something about it. Though cutting sales (and purchases at 'best prices') would almost certainly be the wrong thing to do!

The rest of you post is pure (hopeful) speculation!

The simple fact is that UK is far more dependent on the EU for trade than the EU is on UK - by a huge factor!
 
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