Brexit - The negotiations.

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Mudball said:
But hasnt Trump tried to buy all of the ones from some German biotech firm.. we could do the same.. We could also follow the American example and withdraw from the WHO.. .. i say our vaccine, our rights (just like our fishes)
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That was the (German company) BioNTech one which is being developed by (US company) Pfizer. I think the Germans told him to do one. In my opinion there are likely to be multiple successful vaccines and the main rate limiting step will be administration as much as production.
 
Foxholer said:
Kindly get your facts right(1) - something that SHOULD be important to someone in your supposed position (2)...
Nothing 'personal' nor 'OTT derogatory' about Ethan's 'comments' imo. (And I'd say similar if it was the other way around too!). I'd call them simply a contrary view emphatically put!
If a contrary opinion offends you so much, kindly point out the actual offence! It seems to me that it's YOU that's providing the 'personal abuse'!

All a matter of opinion! But I believe UK's progress/maintenance of position in world economies is evidence of how much EU membership has contributed to that status. It's likely, imo, to take a (hopefully temporary) hit from the consequences of Brexit - that I'm certain will be seen as confirmation of the error by SOME Remainers - but, hopefully. the effects will be minimal! Roll on all year round Kiwi Lamb and Kangaroo Steaks!
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1) And whose facts would this be: yours I guess
2) Would you like to be more precise on what my supposed position is - are you suggesting I have lied or made false claims?
3) Everything I post here is an opinion, which has been stated by me numerous times.

My experience led to me vote leave to the EU because I believe it has become progressively inept and structurally unable to manage its affairs. It is corrupt in many ways and kept afloat by debt which it is increasingly unable to support by 'legal' means. Much of the debt has been 'sovereign' debt which fundamentally wrong because none of the so-called 'sovereign' members can underwrite their own or the EU borrowing. The EU has relied on the UK/London finance mechanisms to continue borrowing.

The UK has been treated as a cash cow and while we have tried for 2 decades to get reforms from the inside this has been voted down and so have our demands for more transparency and accounting rigour.

My thesis remains that the UK has been disadvantaged by membership and continued membership will cause the UK severe economic, defence and security issues worsened by the expansion eastwards and by federalism.
 
drdel said:
1) And whose facts would this be: yours I guess
2) Would you like to be more precise on what my supposed position is - are you suggesting I have lied or made false claims?
3) Everything I post here is an opinion, which has been stated by me numerous times.
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1. That's the point - as I posted! You were factually wrong! There were no insults/derogatory comments!
2. Refer your earlier post re your experience!
3. Agreed! But Yours is too often unsupported drivel!

The rest is irrelevant! As has been stated 'zillions' of times, we are leaving - so that argument is moot!
 
Foxholer said:
1. That's the point - as I posted! You were factually wrong! There were no insults/derogatory comments!
2. Refer your earlier post re your experience!
3. Agreed! But Yours is too often unsupported drivel! (1)

The rest is irrelevant! As has been stated 'zillions' of times, we are leaving - so that argument is moot (2)!
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1) So no derogatory inference then?
2) Not an argument I gave you my reasons; you can ignore.

I'll just make a last and final, and, I admit, childish response / comment to you since you like facts...
You've posted 20,000 posts of which only 960 were 'liked'.
My post rate is only a quarter of that at 3,700 with twice the 'likes' at 1,800 :D:D

Perhaps we might now move on...
 
Foxholer said:
That was the overall deficit - not simply EU.
But it appears you are happy that UK continues to owe more and more to EU (and others)! That doesn't sound like sound economics! If your (ex) company had that problem, iIm certain you'd want to do something about it. Though cutting sales (and purchases at 'best prices') would almost certainly be the wrong thing to do!

The rest of you post is pure (hopeful) speculation!

The simple fact is that UK is far more dependent on the EU for trade than the EU is on UK - by a huge factor!
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The UK had a £43billion trade deficit with the EU in 2019 but why would I be happy with that, the reason its pertinent is that the EU are doing very well from trade with the UK and would be foolish to try and change that situation. If my ex company was in that situation I would be chuffed. Although If I had been trading with a company at a loss I would be negotiating a new deal with them or looking for a better outlet.

The rest of my post wasn't speculation as you put it, it was my considered opinion and based on the facts available, if you consider them wrong then explain why they're wrong. I would also suggest you keep it sensible before another thread gets closed.
 
drdel said:
1) So no derogatory inference then?
2) Not an argument I gave you my reasons; you can ignore.

I'll just make a last and final, and, I admit, childish response / comment to you since you like facts...
You've posted 20,000 posts of which only 960 were 'liked'.
My post rate is only a quarter of that at 3,700 with twice the 'likes' at 1,800 :D:D

Perhaps we might now move on...
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We need more info - how many likes from socketrocket? :p
 
Kaz said:
Do you actually think that was me having a go and not just a harmless, light-hearted comment in response to drdel's joke about likes?

Really sad, give yourself a shake.
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Can I just say I'm not going to like this post as people may get upset. But between you and me, I silently approve of it.
 
banjofred said:
It constantly shocks me that people actually blindly believe what a politician/Govt states. Hope for the best, but question everything.
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True, but when they are making a statement on one of the biggest issues impacting this country in ages during an election, you have to hope they slightly believe what they are saying. Or may be they did and they are lying now for political gain, it is/was a great deal after all. Who knows anymore.
 
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drdel said:
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I'll just make a last and final, and, I admit, childish response / comment to you since you like facts...
You've posted 20,000 posts of which only 960 were 'liked'.
My post rate is only a quarter of that at 3,700 with twice the 'likes' at 1,800 :D:D

Perhaps we might now move on...
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Childish indeed! And logically faulty too! :rolleyes:
 
drdel said:
1) So no derogatory inference then?
2) Not an argument I gave you my reasons; you can ignore.

I'll just make a last and final, and, I admit, childish response / comment to you since you like facts...
You've posted 20,000 posts of which only 960 were 'liked'.
My post rate is only a quarter of that at 3,700 with twice the 'likes' at 1,800 :D:D

Perhaps we might now move on...
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what has this forum being reduced to ..

In other news UK proposed banning social media 'likes' for children ( 5 likes for the first person who can find that UK proposed this Ban but it was rejected by the evil EU empire)
https://www.deseret.com/2019/4/15/20670926/uk-proposes-banning-social-media-likes-for-children
 
Mudball said:
Another lefty taking aim at our Glorious Leader... (he should be sent to live in the EU)

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-09-07...johnson-is-jeopardising-an-eu-free-trade-deal
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The stuff about Cummings and his tech obsession is very interesting. I read and posted a very fascinating article ages ago about this and how he is thrall to how big tech companies operate and how he thinks the UK should become a world leader in this area and how he feels governments and layers of rules generally slows this down.

I do actually agree with him in a lot of what he was saying, and it is fascinating that he seems not to give a jot about fisheries and blue passports and Bulgarians getting our jobs and all the stuff the typical Brexiter gets worked up about. To him it's all about making the UK into a tech leading nation. And you do wonder how much of the population would actually benefit from a tech heavy economy where automation replaces a lot of traditional jobs. Be careful what you wish for.....
 
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