Brexit - The negotiations.

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SocketRocket said:
But its not a partnership is it, we have just ceased to be a partner.

Can you imagine a UK company saying it insists that other companies in their district must follow their price and staff conditions of employment policy otherwise they wont do any business with them.
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Any trade agreement is surely going to be a 'partnership' of some form...and in partnering we might well accede some aspects of control of the business we are to do together to our partner.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Any trade agreement is surely going to be a 'partnership' of some form...and in partnering we might well accede some aspects of control of the business we are to do together to our partner.
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That might well be the case, but, if your the weakest player in the negotiations (as the EU is) you dont go in all guns blazing at the start
 
The EU are scared stiff that the UK will make a success out of leaving and that will be the end of their little group therapy session. Greece, Spain, Italy - all will follow suit. So the EU are going to be as damn difficult as possible during the negotiations.
 
chrisd said:
That might well be the case, but, if your the weakest player in the negotiations (as the EU is) you dont go in all guns blazing at the start
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Genuinely baffled why some people think the EU has the weaker hand here. Both sides have strong negotiating points but a simple look at size of markets and indeed the way world trade is increasingly being led by large trade blocs such as the EU, US and China means I am slightly baffled why if we are talking specifically about trade deals, they have the weakest hand.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Any trade agreement is surely going to be a 'partnership' of some form...and in partnering we might well accede some aspects of control of the business we are to do together to our partner.
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And would you agree our partner should 'accede' some aspects of control of the business to us? Or is it just a one way arrangement.
 
Pathetic Shark said:
The EU are scared stiff that the UK will make a success out of leaving and that will be the end of their little group therapy session. Greece, Spain, Italy - all will follow suit. So the EU are going to be as damn difficult as possible during the negotiations.
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These members are net takers so they may not wish to turn off the flow of cash into their coffers. I not sure the 'Frugal Four' members and Germany are quite as willing to keep pumping more and more into the EU at the rate the new budget expects.

In true EU/Brussels fashion they stone-wall and Barnier will grandstand and hide behind the fact he is appointed to play hard-ball with no consequences to his career while the citizens of his members are set to pick up the tab. We have already seen demands for 'the return of the Greek artefacts', Gibralta and other stuff. This is set to be as much of a debacle as the previously 'friendly' negotiation with addition of more excruciating childish twitter commentary
 
SocketRocket said:
And would you agree our partner should 'accede' some aspects of control of the business to us? Or is it just a one way arrangement.
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It's entirely up to them...

Leave and now our Conservative government promised us a deep, comprehensive and seamless (tariff free?) trade agreement with the EU - they would have known the stance the EU would take in negotiations - no point in complaining about the EU - Mr Johnson and Mr Frost just needs to get on with delivering what we have been promised.
 
Maybe Barnier needs to refresh his memory on the WTO December 2018 rules on discriminatory trade agreements. I'm sure his advisors are on top of their brief, even if he isn't.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Genuinely baffled why some people think the EU has the weaker hand here. Both sides have strong negotiating points but a simple look at size of markets and indeed the way world trade is increasingly being led by large trade blocs such as the EU, US and China means I am slightly baffled why if we are talking specifically about trade deals, they have the weakest hand.
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A 20 Billion Pound trade deficit might be a little bargaining chip.
 
I don’t have any issue with the EU posturing, making statements, trying to bluff etc and will take all of it with a pinch of salt.
I may not agree or support our PM, but if we have learnt anything in the last 6 months it’s that he won’t be sucked in by their games and will either put a deal to the HoC’s he’s content with or simply go down the No Deal route.
Just as we believe we are in a position of strength, so might the EU, I’d expect neither side to be giving any ground at this stage, either publicly or privately.
One other thought, we are neither Leavers or Remainers any more, we are out and if you don’t like it......unlucky.(y)
 
Dando said:
I am sure you know what his answer will be
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I would expect the EU to make whatever concessions that they deem necessary to ensure that they manage (to their best outcome and advantage), such as, UK access to the EU single market - with minimum risk to, and impact on, the economies of the EU member states - and also to ensure the best EU access to UK markets. I would expect no less and no more. We have left the EU, the EU can decide what concessions they wish to make for their own best interests and whatever bargaining chips they can pull together from across the EU27 that might ease acceptance across the EU27 of whatever deal is arrived at.

Meanwhile it seems that the UK is waving a big shotgun in the air telling the EU that unless they give us what we want we'll shoot ourselves in the foot and stomp off triumphantly to trade with the EU and the RoW under the rules of the WTO - and so become a WTO ruler taker whilst telling all that we are taking back control.

All good fun. But hey. It's what the people voted for. We are out and we might as well get used to the idea that the EU is a competitor and so will play as fair as it chooses to play - no point in us whinging.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I would expect the EU to make whatever concessions that they deem necessary to ensure that they manage (to their best outcome and advantage), such as, UK access to the EU single market - with minimum risk to, and impact on, the economies of the EU member states - and also to ensure the best EU access to UK markets. I would expect no less and no more. We have left the EU, the EU can decide what concessions they wish to make for their own best interests and whatever bargaining chips they can pull together from across the EU27 that might ease acceptance across the EU27 of whatever deal is arrived at.

Meanwhile it seems that the UK is waving a big shotgun in the air telling the EU that unless they give us what we want we'll shoot ourselves in the foot and stomp off triumphantly to trade with the EU and the RoW under the rules of the WTO - and so become a WTO ruler taker whilst telling all that we are taking back control.

All good fun. But hey. It's what the people voted for. We are out and we might as well get used to the idea that the EU is a competitor and so will play as fair as it chooses to play - no point in us whinging.
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Ref the waving the shotgun in the air, maybe you missed the piece last week in which the EU said they will unilaterally impose rules onto the U.K., and if the U.K. doesn’t abide by them the U.K. will be up before the ECJ.

Unless I’m much mistaken it’s the WTO that is the independent arbitrator in trade disputes.
 
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