Brexit - The negotiations.

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Tashyboy said:
Unfortunately, from the forums two camps. Pro and anti EU. There’s Not many neutrals. Most have there minds made up. The papers and the BBC don’t help with there biased views. however. You/ Hobbit and other forumers are in a position where you don’t have to read the British propaganda drivel re the Brexit trade negotiations. Would love to hear how the EU countries and press sees these negotiations etc going. Views from you, Italian outcast, slab and a few others might give us another view. ?

Crack on Hobbit ?
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You do realise it’s possible to be Pro-European and not want to be a member of the EU. :unsure:
 
SocketRocket said:
And they will be accepting ours. Why do you always sound as if you want the UK to do badly.
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I don't - I am simply looking at the fact that we seem to be asking the EU for a Canada-like deal - we are asking them. Of course they want a deal with us - and it will hurt the EU if we do not have a deal - however UKs fall-back position is that we trade with the EU and the rest of the world under WTO rules - the EUs isn't. Now you may think that trading under WTO rules is just fine - and if it came to pass that we will decide that we will accept WTO rules then that is taking back control - and fine.

But let's not be whinging about the behaviour and stance of the EU and all the stuff they decide to throw into the melting pot. If getting a deal that involves return of the Elgin Marbles is what is required to get full buy-in for a deal from the Greeks - and we and the EU need Greek approval - then maybe so be it. We knew what we were getting into when we decided to leave.
 
Dibby said:
Everyone is looking at this like it is a zero-sum game, in reality, it is quite easy for both sides to lose. It's also easy to frame it as the EU will lose less, that still doesn't make it palatable - would you be willing to lose an arm just to make sure I lose two? Hardly a massive victory when it can all be avoided.
The other factor is that despite the EU acting as a bloc, it is still made up of single countries, those that have to plug the UKs contributions won't be happy if they have to take up the slack, those that are net receivers won't be happy if they now get less, those who have more trade with the UK won't be happy even if the EU as a whole is not dependent, so the EU has to manage these internal rifts at the same time.

People act like the UK will become a destitute third world country, forgetting that yes it is leaving the worlds second-largest economic bloc, but it is still the 5-7th largest standalone economy in the world. Within the EU only Germany is a bigger economy and France is about equal. In the world, only US, China, Japan, Germany and India are bigger economies. The UK is still a big player in the global scene, despite the doom that some predict.

I wish I could find it again, there was a study from a prestigious US institution (think Harvard, MIT one of those big players) that free trade deals don't actually provide all that much benefit to trade volumes as people assume. Businesses like them as they reduce red tape, but in the big scheme of things unless you go full autarky, trade generally still flows in similar volumes anyway. I think the figure in the study was that if the US didn't have any of it's trade deals, the total impact would only be 2.5% of GDP, so obviously a negative impact, but not full-on destruction of the economy.
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Who is saying that - link please...
 
There is no plan for no deal, because we’re going to get a great deal.

The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want

I made one absolute promise in that campaign. We will be in control, for good or for bad, I never promised it would be a huge success, I never said it would be a failure, I just said we'd be in control
 
Dando said:
i'm sure they said it "should be" you've never been one to let facts get in the way of a moan!
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I am not so sure that Liam Fox and David Davis expressed very much doubt about the great deal that was going to happen.

But hey - maybe I misheard. As I seem to be mis-hearing quite a lot these days - that all Leave voters knew that things were going to be difficult for some time after we left...that it was never going to be easy - and that such as the £350m on the side of the bus was just 'politicking' - it wasn't real - and all Leave voters knew that. Or so I am mis-hearing more and more these days as the bright and sunny uplands promised by our PM look a little less bright and a little less sunny. Never mind. There is always that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow :)

The best thing about where we are today is that we have a good team in place led by a strong Leaver - David Frost - so no messing with the UK in our negotiations with the EU. And I am sure that we will get the best deal we can. And it will be fine.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I am not so sure that Liam Fox and David Davis expressed very much doubt about the great deal that was going to happen.

But hey - maybe I misheard. As I seem to be mis-hearing quite a lot these days - that all Leave voters knew that things were going to be difficult for some time after we left...that it was never going to be easy - and that such as the £350m on the side of the bus was just 'politicking' - it wasn't real - and all Leave voters knew that. Or so I am mis-hearing more and more these days as the bright and sunny uplands promised by our PM look a little less bright and a little less sunny. Never mind. There is always that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow :)

The best thing about where we are today is that we have a good team in place led by a strong Leaver - David Frost - so no messing with the UK in our negotiations with the EU. And I am sure that we will get the best deal we can. And it will be fine.
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you only "mis-hear" when it suits you but as soon as your beloved EU speak your hearing seems just fine!
 
OK folks, the old Brexit thread has now been locked (we don't need two running). Please don't let this one deteriorate the same way the last one did. This thread is about the transition and negotiations, we are now out, we don't need to go over old ground.

Flaming, Trolling, personal insults, tit for tat will not be tolerated and if appropriate, infractions issued.

If you are unsure what's acceptable please refresh your memory with the link below.

https://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/threads/gm-forum-updated-rules-guidelines.53425/
 
This is simple.

The EU has spent 50 plus years imposing Federalism, largely without a mandate to do so. They still expect the UK to adhere to their rule if we leave or not. They are that arrogant.

The UK Government may or may not be committed to taking the UK out. We have the words, will we have the deeds?

That doesnt leave any room for negotiation. Watch this space.

This is about Federalism v Sovereignty. If you think it isn't, sorry, you need to wise up - and that goes for people on both sides of the fence.
 
Dando said:
i'm sure they said it "should be" you've never been one to let facts get in the way of a moan!
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Liam Fox may have stated 'should be...', but others (UKIP Leaders among them) made rather 'more certain' statements, including that it 'could be sorted out in an afternoon over a cup of coffee'!

https://www.indy100.com/article/no-...oris-johnson-david-davis-dominic-raab-8463121

Perhaps you should (re)consider your own (mis)use of selected 'facts'/quotes when making a point!
 
pauldj42 said:
You do realise it’s possible to be Pro-European and not want to be a member of the EU. :unsure:
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Yup, But that am not really bothered about, having another week in Normandy in September, off to Majorca in April. Love having me hols in Europe. love the culture even more. But when it comes to me financing french pensions and being run by EU laws, no thanks.
 
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