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Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Good morning Mr Smith, Can I have a Haddock and Chips please.
Certainly Mr James, Salt and Vinegar ?

Yes please.

That will be £7.50 for the fish and chips and £10 for me allowing you to buy it from me.

But my next door neighbour doesnt pay you £10

Ah! Thats because he's not in the fish and chip club. Do you want to stay in it?

Nah! Think I'll leave if thats OK.
And the award for faecal analogy of the weeks goes to.....
 
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1 use of a word that's allowable in pg films, in a forum littered with some atrocious swearing.
Hardly going sweary is it.
Oof.

We work on the basis that if the word in question can be found in the GM Magazine, then it’s ok to use on the forum.
It’s GM’s baby and if they say no swearing then that’s what it they get.

There are loads of ways to get your feelings across without swearing.

If you see someone else doing it, report it

Oof
 
We work on the basis that if the word in question can be found in the GM Magazine, then it’s ok to use on the forum.
It’s GM’s baby and if they say no swearing then that’s what it they get.

There are loads of ways to get your feelings across without swearing.

If you see someone else doing it, report it

Oof
Sure thing, how many reports would you like ? 50, 60., 70 a hundred...?
 
Sure thing, how many reports would you like ? 50, 60., 70 a hundred...?

It's not worth arguing with mate. This forum lives is a world where some words freely used in national newspapers, other golf magazines, playgrounds of primary schools and PG films are unacceptable. But petty tit for tat behavior that would embarras 9 year olds and sometimes low level bullying of people that do not share someone's views is the way most threads sometimes play out.

To be honest I'm more offended by most people's taste in music than the odd swear word my 13 year old would find lame, but there you go. But remember golf is full of class acts and the image has to be protected, and if you don't like it there are lots of other forums you can go on where you can eff and Jeff to your hearts content. Motherfunster. ;)

Anyway, back to Brexit. Do you think other countries will also apply a skills points based system when brits want to retire there?
 
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It's not worth arguing with mate. This forum lives is a world where some words freely used in national newspapers, other golf magazines, playgrounds of primary schools and PG films are unacceptable. But petty tit for tat behavior that would embarras 9 year olds and sometimes low level bullying of people that do not share someone's views is the way most threads sometimes play out.

To be honest I'm more offended by most people's taste in music than the odd swear word my 13 year old would find lame, but there you go. But remember golf is full of class acts and the image has to be protected, and if you don't like it there are lots of other forums you can go on where you can eff and Jeff to your hearts content. Motherfunster. ;)

Anyway, back to Brexit. Do you think other countries will also apply a skills points based system when brits want to retire there?
Sensible as ever Hacker, and nice ironic question at the end 👍.
But in all honesty there must be some form or way of dealing with the impact they will have to the services .. and that is not being contentious or ageist.
 
Sensible as ever Hacker, and nice ironic question at the end 👍.
But in all honesty there must be some form or way of dealing with the impact they will have to the services .. and that is not being contentious or ageist.

I can answer the last question. Unless reciprocity is agreed, as offered by Spain and Portugal, the criteria to retire here are far more stringent in terms of how much pension and savings there is. At present reciprocity includes healthcare and benefits. Lose that and it has to be self-funded, hence the need for a greater pension and savings.

As an aside, the results for last weeks national elections in Spain is a little worrying. Vox, basically UKIP, increased its number of seats by 38%. Still not a huge amount of seats, but on a personal level we've experienced a couple of instances of racism in the last year. No go back home, yet, but you do experience the odd occasion when you will be the last person to be served, and there are instances of dual pricing... one price for Spaniards and another for foreigners.
 
Anyway, back to Brexit. Do you think other countries will also apply a skills points based system when brits want to retire there?


I am sure that most people on the forum would be aware that the UK has had a point based system back in 2004 for non-EU nationals. It was introduced as part of the HSMP system to bring skilled workers. If you apply that logic, then retierees (sometime classed as economically unproductive) wont qualify under a PBS. The only exception is if you bring bags loads of cash then you can get citizenship to many countries .. We are talking 100k+ and goes all the way over a million. I am assuming that a golf forum would be full of cigar chomping, cognac swirling, Tory voting folks who should not have such problems.
 
I can answer the last question. Unless reciprocity is agreed, as offered by Spain and Portugal, the criteria to retire here are far more stringent in terms of how much pension and savings there is. At present reciprocity includes healthcare and benefits. Lose that and it has to be self-funded, hence the need for a greater pension and savings.

As an aside, the results for last weeks national elections in Spain is a little worrying. Vox, basically UKIP, increased its number of seats by 38%. Still not a huge amount of seats, but on a personal level we've experienced a couple of instances of racism in the last year. No go back home, yet, but you do experience the odd occasion when you will be the last person to be served, and there are instances of dual pricing... one price for Spaniards and another for foreigners.

All it needs is a sorting out of the present situations and agreements ratified and you will know better where you stand as in no change, mild impact or complete change. I would like to think no change is the target irrespective of the Brexit outcome.
There does seem to be a rise in nationalism across Europe, and honestly speaking I don't know what is fueling it, I have an idea about the UK.
The points last night were based on these are not good signs and they do need to be acknowledged and dealt with or escalation could see history repeating itself .. that's not scaremongering or extreme it's just a way of making a note of history and trying to learn from it.
 
I am sure that most people on the forum would be aware that the UK has had a point based system back in 2004 for non-EU nationals. It was introduced as part of the HSMP system to bring skilled workers. If you apply that logic, then retierees (sometime classed as economically unproductive) wont qualify under a PBS. The only exception is if you bring bags loads of cash then you can get citizenship to many countries .. We are talking 100k+ and goes all the way over a million. I am assuming that a golf forum would be full of cigar chomping, cognac swirling, Tory voting folks who should not have such problems.

I think the immigration question is not being defined and they are just saying immigration ... where the issue lies are those that are smuggled in and those that come across in boats .. leaving the EU will have little or no impact on those.
They use lorry scanners .. they don't work effectively, they cannot patrol all the inlets (christ, we have indulged in smuggling for 1000 of years !!).
Those people from the commonwealth are welcome, it's the friggin commonwealth and they have supported us in our time of need, they helped us rebuild this country ..

So what is the immigration argument?
 
I think the immigration question is not being defined and they are just saying immigration ... where the issue lies are those that are smuggled in and those that come across in boats .. leaving the EU will have little or no impact on those.
They use lorry scanners .. they don't work effectively, they cannot patrol all the inlets (christ, we have indulged in smuggling for 1000 of years !!).
Those people from the commonwealth are welcome, it's the friggin commonwealth and they have supported us in our time of need, they helped us rebuild this country ..

So what is the immigration argument?

for the Tory's it an easy election prom for them, they can say what they like about cutting imigration, it will play to the right, but they then just don't do anything anyway... simples. last 3 gov has given targets for cutting Imigration, missd them by miles, in fact the only thing they did was cut UK border force numbers.. at the same time scare monger about European Imigration and taking control, when we have more from outside the EU anyway whicj they could do something about and havn't.....Its all labours fault as usual:ROFLMAO:
 
I think the immigration question is not being defined and they are just saying immigration ... where the issue lies are those that are smuggled in and those that come across in boats .. leaving the EU will have little or no impact on those.
They use lorry scanners .. they don't work effectively, they cannot patrol all the inlets (christ, we have indulged in smuggling for 1000 of years !!).
Those people from the commonwealth are welcome, it's the friggin commonwealth and they have supported us in our time of need, they helped us rebuild this country ..

what is the immigration argument?
OK, i will answer your question seeing youre asking it.
You keep using undertones in your posts that suggest current thinking on immigration by Conservatives is a step on the ladder in repeating the geneside used by Germany, Russia and China in the past. I think that is a gross exaggeration and not worth of serious consideration.

What's the problem with a points based immigration system anyway? Its not used to stop immigration but rather to ensure the country welcomes those that it needs, whoever they may be and in what ever numbers are necessary. It seems logical and practical so what exactly is the problem.

Would you prefer an open door system with no control over numbers that allows anyone who wishes to live in the UK the right to do so and if so please explain what numbers of people we could expect and how we would manage such numbers.
 
for the Tory's it an easy election prom for them, they can say what they like about cutting imigration, it will play to the right, but they then just don't do anything anyway... simples. last 3 gov has given targets for cutting Imigration, missd them by miles, in fact the only thing they did was cut UK border force numbers.. at the same time scare monger about European Imigration and taking control, when we have more from outside the EU anyway whicj they could do something about and havn't.....Its all labours fault as usual:ROFLMAO:
I think you will find its not easy foe people outside the EU to come and live in the UK.
 
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