Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Deleted member 21784]

We didn't need to though, leaving could be so easy if MPs respected the peoples vote.

Or never have called the vote for something the important people in charge actually dont want so just doing their best to keep it from happening whilst trying to convince the leavers it's in their best interest

 

[robinthehood]

We didn't need to though, leaving could be so easy if MPs respected the peoples vote.

Correct we didnt need to, except it was the self serving tory MPs that voted down the deal who had no respect. thats who your ire should be aimed at.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

So the NHS doesn't matter to millions of people,
Schools don;t matter to millions of people,
Poverty doesn't matter to millions of people,
Climate change doesn't matter to millions of people,
Social care doesn't matter to millions of people?

Absolutely they matter but Brexit will dominate this forthcoming election imo. Labour made a whole host of promises yesterday but they have all been lost in the noise of their own bodged vote / policy on Brexit and then this today. What does that tell you? It is the overriding issue and many will vote on this as the key issue.

 

[MegaSteve]

…..and Mr Tim Martin of Weatherspoon's who just can't understand why his business is doing so poorly since he started backing the leave mob and isolated 48% of his customers.

Guessing you've not frequented too many 'spoons... Had he supported remain I'd suggest he'd be alienating at least 90% of his customer base...

 

[SocketRocket]

So the NHS doesn't matter to millions of people,
Schools don;t matter to millions of people,
Poverty doesn't matter to millions of people,
Climate change doesn't matter to millions of people,
Social care doesn't matter to millions of people?

That's a rather crass comment. You know he meant Brexit is the main issue right now in peoples minds but to extrapolate that into people not caring about schools, poverty etc is plain silly.

 

[USER1999]

Correct we didnt need to, except it was the self serving tory MPs that voted down the deal who had no respect. thats who your ire should be aimed at.

When are people going to accept that it was a terrible deal, and that is why it was voted down. 3 times. It is an awful document. Beyond bad.

It wasn't voted down out of self serving, disrespectful ERG'ers. It was voted down because it was bad for the UK.

 

[robinthehood]

When are people going to accept that it was a terrible deal, and that is why it was voted down. 3 times. It is an awful document. Beyond bad.

It wasn't voted down out of self serving, disrespectful ERG'ers. It was voted down because it was bad for the UK.

So bad that that some of them changed their minds when they thought they might get something out of it

 

[Deleted member 16999]

When are people going to accept that it was a terrible deal, and that is why it was voted down. 3 times. It is an awful document. Beyond bad.

It wasn't voted down out of self serving, disrespectful ERG'ers. It was voted down because it was bad for the UK.

Probably because people keep blaming and having a go at MP’s for ignoring the “will of the people”

So given the fact the majority of MP’s thought TM’s deal was bad for the UK, and, the majority of MP’s do not wish to leave on a No Deal, are they not simply doing their job.

 

[SocketRocket]

Correct we didnt need to, except it was the self serving tory MPs that voted down the deal who had no respect. thats who your ire should be aimed at.

Do you expect me to disagree? I would add that any MP disrespecting the Peoples vote are to blame for the mess.

Regarding Mays deal: Its is a bag of worms that was negotiated in bad faith, it needed voting down in its present form.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

And you can't even see what my comment was about. If you bothered to show what my comment was in response to, you will see it is the SNP in general.
I am not commenting on the Courts', Scottish or English , decision on prorogueing, I am commenting on the immorality of people using a Parliament they don't want to be in ( because they want their own as an independent nation) to throw spanners in the works for their own agendas, those agendas being nothing to do with the wellbeing or progress of England , Wales or NI.
It's like a company having people on its board of directors who don't want to be in that company, but on the board of another one completely; and having the gall to affect the decisions of the board they are sitting on, notwithstanding that they have no interest in the effect those decisions have on that company unless those decisions assist their ability to leave that company.
You think that is morally right?

I think you need to go away and read up a bit about The Union.
Starting from a very low start.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Do you expect me to disagree? I would add that any MP disrespecting the Peoples vote are to blame for the mess.

Regarding Mays deal: Its is a bag of worms that was negotiated in bad faith, it needed voting down in its present form.

Your 2nd paragraph states the reason MP’s are not disrespecting anyone, it’s tory PR rubbish.

The Government (presently tory) are in control and must get a deal that the majority of MP’s support.

 

[clubchamp98]

A quick reminder: Geoffrey Cox assured colleagues in wake of Boris Johnson's decision to prorogue Parliament was all legal and above board The Attorney General told a Cabinet conference call that in his opinion there was 'nothing unlawful and unconstitutional' about it

So the top legal adviser in the country is completely at odds with our courts.
No wonder we are in a mess.
With legal advice like that it’s a good job it wasn’t something serious.!!!

 

[SocketRocket]

So the top legal adviser in the country is completely at odds with our courts.
No wonder we are in a mess.
With legal advice like that it’s a good job it wasn’t something serious.!!!

It cant be easy to predict how Courts will interpret a matter like prorogation or the intent to prorogate parliament, that was clear from the different interpretations previously given in three high courts. There was also the question of whether the courts had the authority to decide on political matters and the English high court did in fact rule that they shouldn't.

 

[SocketRocket]

Your 2nd paragraph states the reason MP’s are not disrespecting anyone, it’s tory PR rubbish.

The Government (presently tory) are in control and must get a deal that the majority of MP’s support.

But you are confusing the situation. Whether Mays Withdraw Deal was acceptable and the way Mps have frustrated the process of leaving by taking No Deal off the table are different matters.

 

[clubchamp98]

It cant be easy to predict how Courts will interpret a matter like prorogation or the intent to prorogate parliament, that was clear from the different interpretations previously given in three high courts. There was also the question of whether the courts had the authority to decide on political matters and the English high court did in fact rule that they shouldn't.

I agree but these very reasons are being spouted to get Boris to resign for lying to the Queen.

The attorney general said one thing but 11 judges went against his advice.
How could he get it so wrong?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So the top legal adviser in the country is completely at odds with our courts.
No wonder we are in a mess.
With legal advice like that it’s a good job it wasn’t something serious.!!!

I would not say he is the top legal adviser in the country [which one BTW as the UK has two legal systems] just the Tory party.
He has always struck me at being a bit pompous and not very good.

 

[clubchamp98]

Your 2nd paragraph states the reason MP’s are not disrespecting anyone, it’s tory PR rubbish.

The Government (presently tory) are in control and must get a deal that the majority of MP’s support.

Isn’t that the major problem.
The government have messed this up so much that they are not in control.
While the EU just watch us implode they don’t have to do anything.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

But you are confusing the situation. Whether Mays Withdraw Deal was acceptable and the way Mps have frustrated the process of leaving by taking No Deal off the table are different matters.

So at first they did the right thing, but now it’s the wrong thing?

The goal posts are moving to suit your point of view.

I voted Leave, I agree with them stopping a No Deal, isn’t that my democratic rights being supported?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Isn’t that the major problem.
The government have messed this up so much that they are not in control.
While the EU just watch us implode they don’t have to do anything.

The Government need to take control back by being sensible, look at how much time TM wasted by not talking to others, how much time was wasted by her resigning etc. None of that was down to opposition parties.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

That's a rather crass comment. You know he meant Brexit is the main issue right now in peoples minds but to extrapolate that into people not caring about schools, poverty etc is plain silly.

he should have said main then...