Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[clubchamp98]

But why are they panic buying or stock piling, it could be someone looking to make a quick profit or some other dodgy reason, but neither matter if joe average can’t get them.

It won’t be helped by the Governments approach to the speculation and uncertainty.

Human nature .
Not helped by all the scare stories. From both sides.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

But why are they panic buying or stock piling, it could be someone looking to make a quick profit or some other dodgy reason, but neither matter if joe average can’t get them.

It won’t be helped by the Governments approach to the speculation and uncertainty.

Why does anyone panic buy? Nearer the time it could be bread, milk, take your pick. I guess the clue is in the title, panic buying. People get irrational and once that spreads it is hard to stop.

I would guess that people can not buy these without prescription, may be wrong there, so the more likely issue is going to be companies building up stocks, possibly to profit from a created shortage. Pretty grim if that is the case.

You are quite right in your comment, if the process was going smoothly this would not happen. We are where we are though.

 

[clubchamp98]

Why does anyone panic buy? Nearer the time it could be bread, milk, take your pick. I guess the clue is in the title, panic buying. People get irrational and once that spreads it is hard to stop.

I would guess that people can not buy these without prescription, may be wrong there, so the more likely issue is going to be companies building up stocks, possibly to profit from a created shortage. Pretty grim if that is the case.

You are quite right in your comment, if the process was going smoothly this would not happen. We are where we are though.

With the prescription price fixed though I can’t see how a drug company could do this they must have a price fixed with the NHS.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Parliament being prorogued at close of business today.

What the rush? Why not wait until Thursday which is the last day it can be prorogued. Why shut parliament down now when there is so much we need clarity and progress on.

We can guess what it might be. Boris Johnson and DomCum Wormtongue want parliament out of the way so they can get on with their cunning plan. Brilliant.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Human nature .
Not helped by all the scare stories. From both sides.

Again, how will that help anyone who might not get their medication if the worst case was to happen?

I didn’t realise both sides were putting out scare stories!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Why does anyone panic buy? Nearer the time it could be bread, milk, take your pick. I guess the clue is in the title, panic buying. People get irrational and once that spreads it is hard to stop.

I would guess that people can not buy these without prescription, may be wrong there, so the more likely issue is going to be companies building up stocks, possibly to profit from a created shortage. Pretty grim if that is the case.

You are quite right in your comment, if the process was going smoothly this would not happen. We are where we are though.

You’re correct mate, some of those medications are only available by prescription, it’s not the ill stockpiling.

Maybe Parliament should be bringing in legislation that makes profiteering of a No Deal Brexit a crime.

 

[clubchamp98]

Again, how will that help anyone who might not get their medication if the worst case was to happen?

I didn’t realise both sides were putting out scare stories!

Well remain are putting shortage fears out.
And leave are saying it will all be ok.
But they are just guessing as no one can say for certain !,that’s why people are panic buying.

I didn’t say it would help anyone,quite the opposite I would imagine.!

 

[woody69]

Three businesses in Devon I know of could not compete with the amount of admin and bureaucracy required to put a bid in and at the time they were suppliers who provided a very good service. If you haven't got the manpower or ability to put a bid together you can't bid. 2 have now gone and one is smaller than before which had the effect of reducing much needed employment in the county.

That's interesting to hear considering 1 of the major elements of the legislation was supposedly higher efficiency, more eProcurement and easier participation for SMEs with less administrative burden.

I guess with any legislative change, the ability for the businesses to adapt to that change can have a significant impact that isn't considered and hits companies when it is 1st introduced, particularly if a company has been working a certain way for a significant period of time and isn't easily able to change it's approach due to costs, man-power or what have you.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

With the prescription price fixed though I can’t see how a drug company could do this they must have a price fixed with the NHS.

The prescription price is fixed but the drug selling price to the NHS could be anything, hence the need for NICE. Suppliers will have agreed prices but there may be an exceptional circumstances clause or you may have a company who is not a supplier buying up the drug, when stocks are low the NHS has to come to them and the price has to be negotiated from that point. You would hope the last point is a vision of tv fantasy and not reality. There is an element of guesswork in my answers on this, you would hope the NHS have pricing nailed down.

We have a few NHS workers on here. Hopefully one of them can clear up how companies can profit from this when everything really should be wrapped up nice and tight.

 

[rudebhoy]

Parliament being prorogued at close of business today.

What the rush? Why not wait until Thursday which is the last day it can be prorogued. Why shut parliament down now when there is so much we need clarity and progress on.

We can guess what it might be. Boris Johnson and DomCum Wormtongue want parliament out of the way so they can get on with their cunning plan. Brilliant.

So, his excuse for proroguing parliament so was so they could have a Queen's Speech to lay out all the wonderful legislation they were going to bring in over the next 3 years. Obviously that was bollocks, but that's what he said consistently, while denying it was an attempt to force through a no-deal Brexit. Now that everyone accepts there is going to be an election in November, how can he keep using this sham defence?

 

[clubchamp98]

Parliament being prorogued at close of business today.

What the rush? Why not wait until Thursday which is the last day it can be prorogued. Why shut parliament down now when there is so much we need clarity and progress on.

We can guess what it might be. Boris Johnson and DomCum Wormtongue want parliament out of the way so they can get on with their cunning plan. Brilliant.

Yes it’s not the way to bring democracy back to our parliament.
It’s a symptom of the clueless people running this though that they think this needs to be done.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

You’re correct mate, some of those medications are only available by prescription, it’s not the ill stockpiling.

Maybe Parliament should be bringing in legislation that makes profiteering of a No Deal Brexit a crime.

Back to WW2. Private Walker was the racketeer in Dad's Army from memory who would have everything you need, may be we need to dig out the old legislation and dust it off.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I would say the one going through now is massively in the EUs favour.
Why would they interfere.

Just playing Devils Advocate but if we introduced a law saying all French people are banned from coming to the UK.
Stupid I know but do you think the EU would challenge that.

Well it would be in contravention of Freedom of Movement UK have signed up to as a member state of the EU and so yes - I suspect that the EU would get involved - maybe also the ECJ. And I would also suspect that UK would be taken to the ECHR.

Thing is - it's easy to come up with unrealistic, extreme or daft laws to which the EU and others would say - hang on. The question is about laws that should be revoked as they were imposed by the EU - and that does rather suggest it relates to stuff already in place.

 

[Foxholer]

Technically yes in Johnson’s as his party was voted in in the GE.
In which we all have a vote.
...

That's about as far removed from me having a vote for him as for the 'unelected bureaucrats' Brexit propagandists (erroneously imo) go on about!
Btw. Johnson wasn't in the frame for being PM at the GE!

Nobody votes for a PM unless he’s your local M.P.

Correct! And he's not!
My MP, who I may have voted for, was kicked out of the Party by Johnson! That's something I don't believe should have happened!

 

[woody69]

Parliament being prorogued at close of business today.

What the rush? Why not wait until Thursday which is the last day it can be prorogued. Why shut parliament down now when there is so much we need clarity and progress on.

We can guess what it might be. Boris Johnson and DomCum Wormtongue want parliament out of the way so they can get on with their cunning plan. Brilliant.

Boris was meant to be scrutinised by the Liaison Committee on Wednesday, which Boris agreed to...but obviously that's now not happening because Parliament is being prorogued today

 

[Old Skier]

So, his excuse for proroguing parliament so was so they could have a Queen's Speech to lay out all the wonderful legislation they were going to bring in over the next 3 years. Obviously that was bollocks, but that's what he said consistently, while denying it was an attempt to force through a no-deal Brexit. Now that everyone accepts there is going to be an election in November, how can he keep using this sham defence?

As a politician he will use whatever trick in the book in a similar way that Labour are now in stopping a GE. Both sides playing games and there are still some not accepting it.

 

[clubchamp98]

The prescription price is fixed but the drug selling price to the NHS could be anything, hence the need for NICE. Suppliers will have agreed prices but there may be an exceptional circumstances clause or you may have a company who is not a supplier buying up the drug, when stocks are low the NHS has to come to them and the price has to be negotiated from that point. You would hope the last point is a vision of tv fantasy and not reality. There is an element of guesswork in my answers on this, you would hope the NHS have pricing nailed down.

We have a few NHS workers on here. Hopefully one of them can clear up how companies can profit from this when everything really should be wrapped up nice and tight.

I would hope so .
But these days money talks.
I would think a Guaranteed supply in the contract would be paramount.
So a third party trying to profit from it would be stopped .
But not holding my breath.

 

[clubchamp98]

Well it would be in contravention of Freedom of Movement UK have signed up to as a member state of the EU and so yes - I suspect that the EU would get involved - maybe also the ECJ. And I would also suspect that UK would be taken to the ECHR.

Thing is - it's easy to come up with unrealistic, extreme or daft laws to which the EU and others would say - hang on. The question is about laws that should be revoked as they were imposed by the EU - and that does rather suggest it relates to stuff already in place.

I think our politicians are capable of some stupid things.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

As a politician he will use whatever trick in the book in a similar way that Labour are now in stopping a GE. Both sides playing games and there are still some not accepting it.

It’s NOT Labour stopping a GE, they don’t have enough MP’s to do that.

It’s absolutely every other Party plus a few tories minus the DUP stopping a GE.

ie. The opposition.

 

[clubchamp98]

That's about as far removed from me having a vote for him as for the 'unelected bureaucrats' Brexit propagandists (erroneously imo) go on about!
Btw. Johnson wasn't in the frame for being PM at the GE!

Correct! And he's not!
My MP, who I may have voted for, was kicked out of the Party by Johnson! That's something I don't believe should have happened!

Yes agree but that’s the closest you will get to voting for PM.
They could put Mickey Mouse in charge and we can’t do anything until the next GE.

Yes that was an own goal I think . They have been elected on the manifesto and should be able to disagree if they feel it’s moved away from it.
Without losing the whip.