Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Foxholer]

...It just so happens that your post about the chap are very similar to tweets that, in the past were posted by the Momentum group.

Just because we (may) have the same view of the likely consequences of (certain) events, doesn't mean we have the same views!

And I won't ask why you were reading tweets by The Momentum group!

 

[Old Skier]

Just because we (may) have the same view of the likely consequences of (certain) events, doesn't mean we have the same views!

And I won't ask why you were reading tweets by The Momentum group!

Because I have an interest in politics and like to read the propaganda of Marxists and their supporters.

 

[Backache]

Best option would probably be a division of UK .
London and Scotland to join Europe, NI to unite with Ireland . North and Midlands to form England and rest of England & Wales to vote as to whether they want to join Scotand & London or North and Midlands.

 

[woody69]

And we would still have representative parliamentary democracy even with the “cup tied” rule.

The key word is representative, they represent us but they also represent a certain party. You are elected as a representative of that party... Leave said party you trigger a by-election as you are no longer the representative of the party under which you was elected.

As stated by Winston Churchill; The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organisation or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there in no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy.' Sir Winston Churchill on the Duties of a Member of Parliament

So MPs have every right to switch their party allegiance if they feel in their judgement that the "honour and safety" of Great Britain is at risk first based on their own judgement i.e. not their constituents. If the constituents disagree with what they are doing, they will obviously vote them out at the next election.

 

[SocketRocket]

As stated by Winston Churchill; The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organisation or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there in no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy.' Sir Winston Churchill on the Duties of a Member of Parliament

So MPs have every right to switch their party allegiance if they feel in their judgement that the "honour and safety" of Great Britain is at risk first based on their own judgement i.e. not their constituents. If the constituents disagree with what they are doing, they will obviously vote them out at the next election.

Are you sugesting that if in their representative mode they ask the voting population to make a decision for them they should then work in any political way possible to overturn that decision. Really?

 

[woody69]

Are you sugesting that if in their representative mode they ask the voting population to make a decision for them they should then work in any political way possible to overturn that decision. Really?

No, I'm explaining Representative Democracy.
The point is that we vote for our local MP who then represents our interests in Parliament based on their judgement. The reason is that MP's are far more clued up on the affairs of state than the average 'bloke down the pub'. What some people are proposing is a direct democracy, which is the MP taking orders from their constituents. This is something entirely different.

You might not like that, particularly if it doesn't align with your views, but that's the way it is.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...&content_id=6499191&rating_type_category_id=3

 

[Beezerk]

No, I'm explaining Representative Democracy.
The point is that we vote for our local MP who then represents our interests in Parliament based on their judgement. The reason is that MP's are far more clued up on the affairs of state than the average 'bloke down the pub'. What some people are proposing is a direct democracy, which is the MP taking orders from their constituents. This is something entirely different.

You might not like that, particularly if it doesn't align with your views, but that's the way it is.

But surely by giving us a referendum and saying they will enact the result, they have indeed made it a direct democracy in this case?
It seems to me the remain voting people are just using every excuse in the book to try and overturn the result they lost.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Why do we always call it 'Scottish independence' from the UK, but 'British Exit' from the EU? We never hear 'British independence' from the EU or 'Scottish exit' from the UK. Surely broadcasters should have some consistency on this?

Because it is not British it is English
I also wish that the Tories would call themselves The English National Party because that is what this right wing group have morphed into.

 

[drdel]

Because it is not British it is English
I also wish that the Tories would call themselves The English National Party because that is what this right wing group have morphed into.

Wrong. It is just because, at this moment in time, voters north of the border decided to use the free choice not to vote for the Tories. No one in 'England' denied them the right to do so if they wished

 

[clubchamp98]

No, I'm explaining Representative Democracy.
The point is that we vote for our local MP who then represents our interests in Parliament based on their judgement. The reason is that MP's are far more clued up on the affairs of state than the average 'bloke down the pub'. What some people are proposing is a direct democracy, which is the MP taking orders from their constituents. This is something entirely different.

You might not like that, particularly if it doesn't align with your views, but that's the way it is.

I would say a lot of blokes in the pub would do a better job as M.P. than this third rate bunch we have now.

 

[Taz]

I'm still waiting for remoaners to explain why a trading bloc requires a flag, an army, a president, an anthem, & insists on member states resigning their sovereignty?

 

[Taz]

Labour leaflets landing through letterboxes !

 

[robinthehood]

I'm still waiting for remoaners to explain why a trading bloc requires a flag, an army, a president, an anthem, & insists on member states resigning their sovereignty?

It's not just a trading bloc, doesn't pretend to be just a trading bloc. It's the likes of Boris ,who over the years have portrayed(told lies) it as some evil unelected empire that slowly trying to take over the UK, that have planted this seed of distrust in it.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Wrong. It is just because, at this moment in time, voters north of the border decided to use the free choice not to vote for the Tories. No one in 'England' denied them the right to do so if they wished

No but I would like to think that very few Scots would vote for a political party that appears to be following Trump's vile agenda.

 

[SocketRocket]

No, I'm explaining Representative Democracy.
The point is that we vote for our local MP who then represents our interests in Parliament based on their judgement. The reason is that MP's are far more clued up on the affairs of state than the average 'bloke down the pub'. What some people are proposing is a direct democracy, which is the MP taking orders from their constituents. This is something entirely different.

You might not like that, particularly if it doesn't align with your views, but that's the way it is.

You never responded to my point. Please clarify that because they are representative its ok for them to ask the voting public to make the decision on a particular issue then work actively against that decision.

You think all MPs are more clued up. Really!

 

[SocketRocket]

No but I would like to think that very few Scots would vote for a political party that appears to be following Trump's vile agenda.

A better reply than that would be helpful.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You never responded to my point. Please clarify that because they are representative its ok for them to ask the voting public to make the decision on a particular issue then work actively against that decision.

You think all MPs are more clued up. Really!

It’s not often I agree with you about our MP’s

 

[SocketRocket]

It’s not often I agree with you about our MP’s

Glad you agree. One thing Brexit has done is expose how appalling so many of them are.

 

[drdel]

No but I would like to think that very few Scots would vote for a political party that appears to be following Trump's vile agenda.

Trump has nowt to do with the statement you made that I challenged. He has brought Scotland cash and jobs!

 

[Dando]

Trump has nowt to do with the statement you made that I challenged. He has brought Scotland cash and jobs!

Stop talking sense and stating facts