Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[drdel]

No, I am having a dig because posters on here who have a very different view from me cannot answer robinthehood's very simple question

Perhaps its because the disingenuous question's answer would require non-trolling Remainers to stop looking in the mirror and expecting history to repeat. Its not the current 'small' stuff that will affect UK citizens its the big issues coming down the road that will cause you, i and everyone else most future pain.

The world has changed but the EU has not. Growth within the EU will be limited because of 'single market' restrictions and the new markets are in the RoW. EU finances are pretty much out of control and the UK will be expected to fill a widening gap at the expense of our own development and communities. The debts caused by the ECB QE etc are based on bonds that have a decreasing value because of individual countrys' continued over borrowing.

The EU has federalist aims that will draw more functions to the 'centre' at great cost and loss of policy flexibility in agriculture, defence, manufacturing, medication, policing, taxation, trade and so on.

An independent UK will have the necessary flexibility to develop policies that fit us as a developed nation by not being tied to a failed experiment that tries to harmonise fundamentally different countries by shifting money (while creaming off a big top slice) and daft subsidies which just causes a race to the bottom.

 

[Old Skier]

No. I just wasn't sure as to what @SocketRocket was referring to with that statement. Not sure that ad hominen attack was quite necessary.

Thank you for clarifying. Unfortunately that is just the way it is. We signed up to A50 which clearly states the WA first and a framework for the future relationship (which is exactly what happened). I guess ff the UK didn't like Article 50 they shouldn't have got Lord Kerr to write it

And if all those MPs had struck to their word we would now be out and negotiating.

Do you honestly believe there isn't a definite move in parliament to stop Brexit and please don't give me the "No Deal" lies.

Are you happy that JC is leader of the Labour Party even he is proving to be a big a liar as BJ.

 

[patricks148]

And if all those MPs had struck to their word we would now be out and negotiating.

Do you honestly believe there isn't a definite move in parliament to stop Brexit and please don't give me the "No Deal" lies.

Are you happy that JC is leader of the Labour Party even he is proving to be a big a liar as BJ.

LOL, has JC been fired twice for telling porkies??

Jezzers nose would be a inch or so longer than normal, not so with BJ, he would need some sort of support divice for that hooter

 

[drdel]

LOL, has JC been fired twice for telling porkies??

Jezzers nose would be a inch or so longer than normal, not so with BJ, he would need some sort of support divice for that hooter

Do you mean the guy who attended a wreath laying but didn't remember and then recalled that he while he was there didn't support it?

 

[Taz]

Deutsche Bank’s chief economist, David Folkerts-Landau, not only says that over the medium and long-term a ‘No Deal’ Brexit will make no difference to the British economy, he says an inadequate deal which constrained the British economy would be “a second best solution”. Confirming what many in Downing Street believe, namely that even without the back-stop, May’s regulatory-aligned deal would have detrimentally constrained the dynamic British economy. So-called “regulatory alignment” is an EU imposed constraint on unleashing the British economy to outcompete turgid EU rivals. As the leaked French memo on Friday revealed, Paris fears a resurgent, deregulated dynamic British economy…

 

[patricks148]

Do you mean the guy who attended a wreath laying but didn't remember and then recalled that he while he was there didn't support it?

yep thats the guy, not sure attending some event is worse than being fired twice from paid employment though.... but then you boys have double standards

 

[Foxholer]

eh??

many people bring up the whole imigration thing as the reason to leave when infact the current Tory Gov who are using this as an excuse when they did nothing to stop it for the larger influx they could. even setting targets they missed by miles.

so what i'm saying is the Imigration is a bit of a red hearring, people who voted leave because of it were/ are conned

It's not immigration per se that's the problem! It's uncontrolled immigration!

The vast majority of those non-EU immigrants satisfied set criteria that the UK can change according to its needs. Freedom of movement means that EVERY EU citizen is entitled to come to UK - so that's 'uncontrolled'!

 

[Foxholer]

Ah there it is, rather than answer the question you roll out the abuse.

Oof!

Thought I'd better 'complete' your post!

 

[Foxholer]

...The WA satisfies the legal requirement to exit the EU. Sure it's a terrible deal, but it does deliver BREXIT.

That's the entire problem...It doesn't deliver Brexit!

 

[Old Skier]

LOL, has JC been fired twice for telling porkies??

Jezzers nose would be a inch or so longer than normal, not so with BJ, he would need some sort of support divice for that hooter

You protest to much biggest flip flop ever

 

[Old Skier]

yep thats the guy, not sure attending some event is worse than being fired twice from paid employment though.... but then you boys have double standards

Depends if you support terrorists or not. Let me think, fired twice, support terrorists. Popcorn anyone.

 

[Old Skier]

Update voter registration forms arriving today - who knows, are they brave enough.

 

[patricks148]

You protest to much biggest flip flop ever

and?? i could post up the BJ porkies hughlight real, but it would be too big a file to load

 

[Tashyboy]

Deutsche Bank’s chief economist, David Folkerts-Landau, not only says that over the medium and long-term a ‘No Deal’ Brexit will make no difference to the British economy, he says an inadequate deal which constrained the British economy would be “a second best solution”. Confirming what many in Downing Street believe, namely that even without the back-stop, May’s regulatory-aligned deal would have detrimentally constrained the dynamic British economy. So-called “regulatory alignment” is an EU imposed constraint on unleashing the British economy to outcompete turgid EU rivals. As the leaked French memo on Friday revealed, Paris fears a resurgent, deregulated dynamic British economy…

That don't count coz it's not a top ten worry for us dimwits. Plus facts have now been preceded by " your liar is a bigger liar than ours" so we should stay.

 

[Old Skier]

and?? i could post up the BJ porkies hughlight real, but it would be too big a file to load

So your happy supporting your liar then, fine, then it's ok for others to support BJ.

 

[Tashyboy]

It's not immigration per se that's the problem! It's uncontrolled immigration!

The vast majority of those non-EU immigrants satisfied set criteria that the UK can change according to its needs. Freedom of movement means that EVERY EU citizen is entitled to come to UK - so that's 'uncontrolled'!

But surely that is the governments fault 🤔 As we are led to believe. That every single person in Europe can come to the UK. I get the arguement that I can move to Romania and become a sheep farmer as can everyone else in the UK. Don't see many rushing to do it though. Has the penny actually dropped why so many migrants/ immigrants want to come to the UK. But again the influx of migrants hasn't put any strain on our services has it. Hang on we have done that a dozen times and still got no where.

 

[Foxholer]

So your happy supporting your liar then, fine, then it's ok for others to support BJ theirs.

FTFY!

 

[patricks148]

So your happy supporting your liar then, fine, then it's ok for others to support BJ.

i wouldn't necessarily agree Jezza was a liar, he just can't make his mind up.... and FYI i love a BJ just to that one

 

[Old Skier]

FTFY!

Ta, forgot your trade mark [{(. )}]

 

[Old Skier]

i wouldn't necessarily agree Jezza was a liar, he just can't make his mind up.... and FYI i love a BJ just to that one

You have double standards, now I understand.