The mandate was given in the result of the referendum. Parliament supported that mandate by triggering Article 50.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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The mandate was given in the result of the referendum. Parliament supported that mandate by triggering Article 50.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Your honest opinion is wrong, not convinced its honest either. MPs voted to trigger article 50 so that the UK could leave the EU. They also voted for the EU withdrawl act. What other mandate do the public require?
drdel
Tour Rookie
Yup. Then the same Parliament voted against the suggested deal on 3 occasions and now they rally against a government that tried to change this deal in the face of the EU stating it won't renegotiate.
clubchamp98
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The lack of negotiation by the EU started all this when Cameron asked for some changes.
They are just inflexible and this will implode on them ,it’s their own fault.
spongebob59
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-eus-last-ultimatum-on-brexit-is-intended-to-fail
great quote :
Suppose the EU were to say to the US: “We’ll discuss a trade deal, but with two preconditions. First we control your trade with the rest of the world. Second we set the economic rules for Texas. Oh, and after that, we might not give you the trade deal.â€
great quote :
Suppose the EU were to say to the US: “We’ll discuss a trade deal, but with two preconditions. First we control your trade with the rest of the world. Second we set the economic rules for Texas. Oh, and after that, we might not give you the trade deal.â€
robinthehood
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Ultra biased claptrap.
SocketRocket
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^^^ Ultra biased claptrap.
robinthehood
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Oof.
? That makes even less sense than your usual rants and that's saying something.
Actually, it isn't.
If you've bothered to read the Withdrawal Agreement, the analogy in the first paragraph applies, especially in the CAP area. Rather than get into yes it is, no it isn't opinion based rejection why not read the agri bit in the WA. The bit about an independent monitoring body funded by the UK that reports back to the EU on UK pricing, tariffs and quotas with countries the UK might have trade deals with. So just who is setting the UK's pricing? Who is, potentially, stopping the UK being competitive in agri? And the arbitrator, post-Brexit, in this area would be the ECJ.
There may, is, a little poetic licence in the main body of the article, some of it being a little unintelligent, but the analogy is pretty damn close.
robinthehood
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I have and I also know who dan hannan is
jp5
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Economy shrinking as we head towards a no-deal. Hold your hats 
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
One for @LTyrion in respect of LBC...as he asked about it on the Trump thread.
The first two hours 10am-12pm today (09/08) make perfect listening if you are at all interested in the modus operandi of James O'Brien (he being of the 'leaving is madness' brigade), when fielding calls in respect of Brexit - and especially the way he deals with callers who are determined to beat him in respect of arguments over leaving - It's all good (actually it's very dispiriting) - but 10:30am to 11:00am is typical if you can't spare time to listen to all (it's all worth it as quite a few calls from EU27 citizens)
You can get it on Global Player - LBC website catch up.
https://www.globalplayer.com/catchup/lbc/london
The first two hours 10am-12pm today (09/08) make perfect listening if you are at all interested in the modus operandi of James O'Brien (he being of the 'leaving is madness' brigade), when fielding calls in respect of Brexit - and especially the way he deals with callers who are determined to beat him in respect of arguments over leaving - It's all good (actually it's very dispiriting) - but 10:30am to 11:00am is typical if you can't spare time to listen to all (it's all worth it as quite a few calls from EU27 citizens)
You can get it on Global Player - LBC website catch up.
https://www.globalplayer.com/catchup/lbc/london
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Economy shrinking as we head towards a no-deal. Hold your hats
You just need to believe it will all be OK more. Traitor.
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User62651
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Anyone see Chancellor Javid on Sky news trying to defend govt on economy, seemed out of his depth and nervy, mouth getting ahead of his brain. Unconvincing performance.
MegaSteve
Tour Winner
The guy, for me, represents the worst of 'rant radio'...
It's very easy, for him, sitting in 'home turf' using a medium he is comfortable/familiar with... Put him on the other side of a table eyeball to eyeball and he wouldn't appear so big and clever then...
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
These people change jobs to much.
Nobody can remember everything, so we need someone there who knows what they are doing ,not just because they were loyal to the leadership.
That goes for all departments in government.
All parties do this he won’t be the last.
drdel
Tour Rookie
Economy shrinking as we head towards a no-deal. Hold your hats
Germany is technically in recession. Since the UK's GDP has increased fastest the EU will increase the UK's contribution should we stay.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Putting aside what you think of JO'B what did you think of today's Leave callers...Nobody was forcing these folks to call in - they called in absolutely convinced that they have their argument nailed and they will 'own' O'Brien. Do you think they did that today?
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Didn't see but heard - didn't sound great.
One more quarter like the last one and we'll be in recession - all going tickety-boo then - and all will be just fine according to Javid because it is simply the uncertainly around having not left that is the problem - not really to do with risk of UK leaving on a No Deal basis. No.
spongebob59
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Summary for those who can't be bothered to read the whole article :
For reasons that I have explained elsewhere, the Supreme Court’s Miller judgment handed Parliament a golden opportunity to take control of the Brexit process. That opportunity was immediately squandered by parliamentarians who — for fear of being castigated as “enemies of the people†— fell over themselves to write the Government a blank cheque when they enacted the Notification of Withdrawal Act. That Act handed the Government complete discretion over when Article 50 should be triggered and provided Parliament with absolutely no instruments of control over the ensuing process. Ever since, Parliament has been playing catch-up. As the autumn unfolds, and as the cliff-edge beckons, we will see whether the majority of parliamentarians who are opposed to a no-deal Brexit can recover the situation. As I have sought to show in this post, Parliament does have options open to it. But those options are limited in legal terms — and decidedly so in political terms.
https://publiclawforeveryone.com/2019/08/08/can-parliament-prevent-a-no-deal-brexit/
For reasons that I have explained elsewhere, the Supreme Court’s Miller judgment handed Parliament a golden opportunity to take control of the Brexit process. That opportunity was immediately squandered by parliamentarians who — for fear of being castigated as “enemies of the people†— fell over themselves to write the Government a blank cheque when they enacted the Notification of Withdrawal Act. That Act handed the Government complete discretion over when Article 50 should be triggered and provided Parliament with absolutely no instruments of control over the ensuing process. Ever since, Parliament has been playing catch-up. As the autumn unfolds, and as the cliff-edge beckons, we will see whether the majority of parliamentarians who are opposed to a no-deal Brexit can recover the situation. As I have sought to show in this post, Parliament does have options open to it. But those options are limited in legal terms — and decidedly so in political terms.
https://publiclawforeveryone.com/2019/08/08/can-parliament-prevent-a-no-deal-brexit/
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