Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Hacker Khan]

Just like SILH and the crap he comes out with.

You know you can just ignore someone (hover over their name and then just select 'ignore') , especially if they did not even make the comment you are posting about, if they upset you. There's no need to keep yourself in a constant state of angryness.

 

[ColchesterFC]

You know you can just ignore someone (hover over their name and then just select 'ignore') , especially if they did not even make the comment you are posting about, if they upset you. There's no need to keep yourself in a constant state of angryness.

I might be wrong but I've heard that you don't have to read every post written on the forum. You can simply scroll past the ones by people that annoy you.

What does the ignore function do? Does it simply not show posts by that person? And what happens if someone you aren't ignoring quotes someone you are ignoring, do you see the quote?

 

[Blue in Munich]

I might be wrong but I've heard that you don't have to read every post written on the forum. You can simply scroll past the ones by people that annoy you.

What does the ignore function do? Does it simply not show posts by that person? And what happens if someone you aren't ignoring quotes someone you are ignoring, do you see the quote?

You don’t see the post, you don’t see any quotes but unfortunately as some of the ones you’d like to ignore monopolise the thread you lose the flow or context.

 

[drdel]

Thanks for the admission that it was BS!

If it makes you happy - have at it! But really ?

 

[Foxholer]

... But really ?

Yes, Really!

Kindly desist from the BS in your otherwise generally insightful contributions!

 

[Deleted member 18645]

Ah the Lib Dems, the party that just keep on giving. One of their MPs was just on the radio stating that Boris Johnson could not ignore a vote of no confidence as that would be undemocratic.

And your party's stance on the vote to leave the EU is what exactly???

 

[Dando]

You know you can just ignore someone (hover over their name and then just select 'ignore') , especially if they did not even make the comment you are posting about, if they upset you. There's no need to keep yourself in a constant state of angryness.

I like to read what utter drivel they are coming out with!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Gove would make a truly awful poker player.

Bottom lip quivering as he lets fly at the EU's natural assumption that the UK will leave with no deal. [so no more talks]
Bumping down the 'strong and stable' shoogly road now.

It would be funny if it was not so tragic.

 

[drdel]

Yes, Really!

Kindly desist from the BS in your otherwise generally insightful contributions!

Since it was only you who defined the comments as BS I shall envoke my democratic right to post what I like.

 

[drdel]

I see that the Swiss are also meeting with stonewalling tactics from the EU as they try and thrash out their 4 year long Treaty negotiations.

 

[Mudball]

Gove would make a truly awful poker player.

Bottom lip quivering as he lets fly at the EU's natural assumption that the UK will leave with no deal. [so no more talks]
Bumping down the 'strong and stable' shoogly road now.

It would be funny if it was not so tragic.

Ahh.. Gove does a 'Brexit means Brexit' speech... blaming EU for not moving while saying the UK has laid out a clear redline.
.. but 'We are ready to provide all support'... pot calling kettle

 

[Hobbit]

Ahh.. Gove does a 'Brexit means Brexit' speech... blaming EU for not moving while saying the UK has laid out a clear redline.
.. but 'We are ready to provide all support'... pot calling kettle

Thought it an interesting piece on the Beeb site today about the EU commission called in the diplomats from the EU27 and told them that the EU will not budge on the WA. I thought it was the EU27 that tell the EU Commission what they want, not the other way round?? Semantics maybe but it just smacked of the very federalism that so many are against.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Gove would make a truly awful poker player.

Bottom lip quivering as he lets fly at the EU's natural assumption that the UK will leave with no deal. [so no more talks]
Bumping down the 'strong and stable' shoogly road now.

It would be funny if it was not so tragic.

Doesn't seem to be any other option other than no deal now. The EU have said that the WA is the only one on offer. Our MPs have rejected the WA three times. The EU say that the WA can't be changed or renegotiated. Unless our MPs change their minds and pass the WA or the EU change their mind about renegotiating then that just leaves no deal.

And what would be the point of getting another extension from the EU as many MPs want? That would simply be kicking the already very dented can further down the road for very little or no gain.

 

[SocketRocket]

Doesn't seem to be any other option other than no deal now. The EU have said that the WA is the only one on offer. Our MPs have rejected the WA three times. The EU say that the WA can't be changed or renegotiated. Unless our MPs change their minds and pass the WA or the EU change their mind about renegotiating then that just leaves no deal.

And what would be the point of getting another extension from the EU as many MPs want? That would simply be kicking the already very dented can further down the road for very little or no gain.

The WA had to be verified by the EU 27 and the UK Parliament to be put into effect. If the EU 27 would have refused to accept it would the EU Commission tell them it can not be reopened?

 

[Hacker Khan]

Doesn't seem to be any other option other than no deal now. The EU have said that the WA is the only one on offer. Our MPs have rejected the WA three times. The EU say that the WA can't be changed or renegotiated. Unless our MPs change their minds and pass the WA or the EU change their mind about renegotiating then that just leaves no deal.

And what would be the point of getting another extension from the EU as many MPs want? That would simply be kicking the already very dented can further down the road for very little or no gain.

I suppose as we have reached an impasse then in the name of democracy we must fall back to the options on the ballot paper as that is what the public were voting on. Do we stay which was on and was an option. Or do we leave with a no deal that was not.

 

[Hobbit]

I suppose as we have reached an impasse then in the name of democracy we must fall back to the options on the ballot paper as that is what the public were voting on. Do we stay which was on and was an option. Or do we leave with a no deal that was not.

Bet you pull the wings of flies too... big tease

 

[SocketRocket]

I suppose as we have reached an impasse then in the name of democracy we must fall back to the options on the ballot paper as that is what the public were voting on. Do we stay which was on and was an option. Or do we leave with a no deal that was not.

Yes it was. If a deal wasn't mentioned then it wasn't a requirement. 🤔

 

[ColchesterFC]

I suppose as we have reached an impasse then in the name of democracy we must fall back to the options on the ballot paper as that is what the public were voting on. Do we stay which was on and was an option. Or do we leave with a no deal that was not.

Would be a very bold move from Parliament to revoke Article 50 and for us to remain in the EU and one that if it had been taken 2 years ago I would have fully supported.

Although, as far as I am aware as I didn't actually see the ballot paper, the options on the ballot paper were to remain in the EU or to leave the EU. I don't believe that leaving with a deal was on the ballot paper. Which means that if we fall back on your suggestion we'll be leaving with no deal, as leave was on the ballot paper and won the vote.

 

[clubchamp98]

I suppose as we have reached an impasse then in the name of democracy we must fall back to the options on the ballot paper as that is what the public were voting on. Do we stay which was on and was an option. Or do we leave with a no deal that was not.

If you take the last seven words from your post it will be factually correct.
And it was an option which you omitted.

 

[Hobbit]

A question; with all this can leave without a deal by running the clock down, can the Cabinet decide not to run the clock down and just decide to leave tomorrow? As there looks like there's going to be some watershed discussions at the G7 meeting at the end of the month, and some political journo's saying if there's no movement by then its a definite out, why not mid Sept?

Equally, providing there is a clear intent to create an agreement, WTO has the the mechanism to allow an agreement in principle/transition if both parties agree in good faith. Leave can happen at the end of Oct without an agreed deal but at least the principle in place... a gentler let down than an abrupt No Deal leave.