SocketRocket
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We get it they are not in the EU 🙄 And your evidence they are never likely to be is based on?
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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A poll for the forthcoming European elections;
The poll, by Opinium Research, suggests the Brexit Party is way out in front on 34% (+6), Labour on 21% (-7), the pro-Remain Lib Dems 12% (+5), Conservatives 11% (-3), Greens 8% (+2), UKIP 4% (+1) and Change UK 3% (-4).
There's any number of (flawed?) conclusions that could be drawn from the poll. For example;
Why doesn't the Remain numbers, LibDems, Greens & Change UK add up to more than 50%?
If the main parties have Leave supporters amongst their rank and file, who wouldn't vote for any other party, just what is the % of Leave voters still out there?
For all the noise from the disaffected MP's that created Change UK, it looks like a whimper rather than a roaring change in UK politics.
Interesting to see the LibDems listed as pro-Remain when they were neck and neck with Labour for a % of their voters voting Leave.
Probably by coincidence but if you look at the % of Labour and LibDem supporters who voted Leave in 2016, and then 'pinch' a 1/3 of their supporters from the above. Add in the Brexit party and UKIP, you end up with a Leave support of 52%.
As many have said, no real change really...
The poll, by Opinium Research, suggests the Brexit Party is way out in front on 34% (+6), Labour on 21% (-7), the pro-Remain Lib Dems 12% (+5), Conservatives 11% (-3), Greens 8% (+2), UKIP 4% (+1) and Change UK 3% (-4).
There's any number of (flawed?) conclusions that could be drawn from the poll. For example;
Why doesn't the Remain numbers, LibDems, Greens & Change UK add up to more than 50%?
If the main parties have Leave supporters amongst their rank and file, who wouldn't vote for any other party, just what is the % of Leave voters still out there?
For all the noise from the disaffected MP's that created Change UK, it looks like a whimper rather than a roaring change in UK politics.
Interesting to see the LibDems listed as pro-Remain when they were neck and neck with Labour for a % of their voters voting Leave.
Probably by coincidence but if you look at the % of Labour and LibDem supporters who voted Leave in 2016, and then 'pinch' a 1/3 of their supporters from the above. Add in the Brexit party and UKIP, you end up with a Leave support of 52%.
As many have said, no real change really...
Doon frae Troon
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Cameron [remember him] calls Brexit to get rid of Farage and his mucky collection of supporters.
He totally splits the UK in two, and heralds the break up of the failing Union.
Farage's Brexit party now more popular than the Tory party.
That all went well David,
He totally splits the UK in two, and heralds the break up of the failing Union.
Farage's Brexit party now more popular than the Tory party.
That all went well David,
Doon frae Troon
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Farage has meltdown on the Marr programme.
His party has no manifesto on EU elections so what was Marr supposed to question him on.
His party has no manifesto on EU elections so what was Marr supposed to question him on.
SocketRocket
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If you call that a melt down you must have lived a very sheltered life 🙄
Farage saw through the shallow attempt by Marr to use the time to trawl through any old scraps to discredit him rather than try to understand what he stands foŕ in the Brexit party. It was shallow and poor interviewing by the BBC in an attempt to promote their own interests.
I like Marr but thought it was one of his very worst interviews. It really does make you question the Beeb bias. And before anyone trawls up Ofcom's findings there's oodles of evidence to suggest otherwise, north and south of the border - its London/establishment-centric.
Interesting interview with Dominic Hinds on Marr this morning. Picking up on his comment about it being a protest vote; is it or is it a genuine swing to something different? Is it a little arrogant to say we're still loved but people are voting for something else as a protest or is it a genuine we want something else?
Just asking...
Just asking...
Old Skier
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Typical arrogant politicians, they don't realise anything is wrong until they get hoofed.
SocketRocket
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They dont even get it then. They get sucked into the world of politicians where the longer they are exposed the more they get sucked into abstract idealism thà t takes away their empathy with normality. The way most of them have never worked in jobs outside politics for a suitable time shows in their lack of understanding of what ordinary peoples lives are like and what their priorities are.
Doon frae Troon
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I see that they Brexit party's election agent has said that Tommy Robinson is misunderstood and is really quite a nice guy and that Islamaphobia is just made up.
Aye right.
Aye right.
Old Skier
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Got a linkI see that they Brexit party's election agent has said that Tommy Robinson is misunderstood and is really quite a nice guy and that Islamaphobia is just made up.
Aye right.
Google Brexit party agent. There's a few that come up
robinthehood
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I see that they Brexit party's election agent has said that Tommy Robinson is misunderstood and is really quite a nice guy and that Islamaphobia is just made up.
Aye right.
A real nasty piece of work that man. nasty.
Doon frae Troon
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The new Change party have a bus with what appears to be a redacted message and an upside down Union flag on the side of it.
Do you think they are trying to send out a coded message
Do you think they are trying to send out a coded message
Crazyface
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I think what we need is a General Election. This, hopefully would fully test the mood of the country, and we can then get on and sort the mess out.
chrisd
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Do you seriously think a GE would sort the mess out. Given that a huge number of voters will, as in the local elections, vote anywhere but for the two main parties and its pretty certain that there would be a hung Parliament which would certainly not sort out Brexit. We, I reckon need an outright winner who could guarantee a leave deal and have no trouble pushing it through, but I don't see that happening at all anytime soon.
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Got 5 political flyers at once today in the mail for upcoming European Elections, no LibDem one though and no Brexit Party one either (thought they were both on a roll!
), would've thought getting in first is important!
Anyway shared below -
Message I'm taking at first view (which is important, first impressions etc) -
Scottish Conservatives headline again is all about SNP/independence, little about themselves on headlines at least - seems to be Ruth Davidon's only tactic in all elections, no matter the level.
SNPs one doesn't even mention independence, just pro Scotland in EU, clear message.
Scottish Greens - very pro EU as well, maybe a bit offensive to leavers?
UKIP - well clearly anti EU, uphold Brexit. Clear enough.
Scottish Labour - goodness knows, something about uniting the UK
), would've thought getting in first is important!Anyway shared below -
Message I'm taking at first view (which is important, first impressions etc) -
Scottish Conservatives headline again is all about SNP/independence, little about themselves on headlines at least - seems to be Ruth Davidon's only tactic in all elections, no matter the level.
SNPs one doesn't even mention independence, just pro Scotland in EU, clear message.
Scottish Greens - very pro EU as well, maybe a bit offensive to leavers?
UKIP - well clearly anti EU, uphold Brexit. Clear enough.
Scottish Labour - goodness knows, something about uniting the UK
Mudball
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i know this thread is all about serious issues surrounding brexit. So as a diversion, i found this one from Yodel Hell - apparently a site to talk about all the challenges with Yodel
Brexit averted as Article 50 letter lost by YODEL
http://www.yodelhell.co.uk/brexit-averted-article-50-letter-lost-yodel-1065.html
Brexit averted as Article 50 letter lost by YODEL
http://www.yodelhell.co.uk/brexit-averted-article-50-letter-lost-yodel-1065.html
Doon frae Troon
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My Mrs got a UKIP flyer but I did not, I feel honoured.Got 5 political flyers at once today in the mail for upcoming European Elections, no LibDem one though and no Brexit Party one either (thought they were both on a roll!
Anyway shared below -
Message I'm taking at first view (which is important, first impressions etc) -
Scottish Conservatives headline again is all about SNP/independence, little about themselves on headlines at least - seems to be Ruth Davidon's only tactic in all elections, no matter the level.
SNPs one doesn't even mention independence, just pro Scotland in EU, clear message.
Scottish Greens - very pro EU as well, maybe a bit offensive to leavers?
UKIP - well clearly anti EU, uphold Brexit. Clear enough.
Scottish Labour - goodness knows, something about uniting the UK
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I think there were 22 mentions of SNP and Independence on the Scots Tory leaflet first page for the EUROPEAN ELECTIONS. Truthless Davidson back with her one trick pony show.
Wings looking to hit £100,000 within 36 hours of the annual fundraiser. Target was £50,000,
Unpopular paid BritNat journalists of failing Scottish newspapers are going into meltdown.
MegaSteve
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