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Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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bluewolf said:
Sorry Bri, but IMO it's nonsense.
And you have absolutely no idea what the current state of mind is in the general public. None of us do. The polls suggest you're wrong but they are an average indicator at best.
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Same polls that suggested Remain would romp home in 2016? As you say, an average indicator at best.
 
Sounds like tmay is now trying to get Labour on board to get an agreement passed. Probably will mean a softer brexit, Tory party may tear themselves apart and Corbyn will be happier than Boris.

Maybe there is a happy ending after all. 😉
 
Hacker Khan said:
Sounds like tmay is now trying to get Labour on board to get an agreement passed. Probably will mean a softer brexit, Tory party may tear themselves apart and Corbyn will be happier than Boris.

Maybe there is a happy ending after all. 😉
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I am not convinced Corbyn wants a soft Brexit. He makes those noises while he hasn't a chance of carrying them out, I believe what he really wants (based on his previous) is complete control of government so he can implement his ultra left wing policies in place. He wont want the EU influencing his policies. May could be playing him to expose his true intentions. Just a theory 🤔
 
SocketRocket said:
I am not convinced Corbyn wants a soft Brexit. He makes those noises while he hasn't a chance of carrying them out, I believe what he really wants (based on his previous) is complete control of government so he can implement his ultra left wing policies in place. He wont want the EU influencing his policies. May could be playing him to expose his true intentions. Just a theory 🤔
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Because if your theory is correct, now would be a great time for TM to play games rather sort this mess out.:rolleyes:
 
pauldj42 said:
Because if your theory is correct, now would be a great time for TM to play games rather sort this mess out.:rolleyes:
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Its a consideration i came up with, it may or may not be correct.

She may want to draw him in then expose him if he cant commit. This could draw more in towards supporting her deal.
Just a thought.
 
SocketRocket said:
I am not convinced Corbyn wants a soft Brexit. He makes those noises while he hasn't a chance of carrying them out, I believe what he really wants (based on his previous) is complete control of government so he can implement his ultra left wing policies in place. He wont want the EU influencing his policies. May could be playing him to expose his true intentions. Just a theory 🤔
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I'd like to think she's that clever but the current farce would suggest not.
 
Suspect that all TM needs to do is agree to call a general election once a deal had been passed. She us quitting anyway and it would be 2 fingers up to the ERG who are circling to take power.

There is a deal to be done on a softer Brexit. Suspect europe would jump at it too. Business could also handle a delay with an agreed road map to move forward.
 
GB72 said:
Suspect that all TM needs to do is agree to call a general election once a deal had been passed. She us quitting anyway and it would be 2 fingers up to the ERG who are circling to take power.

There is a deal to be done on a softer Brexit. Suspect europe would jump at it too. Business could also handle a delay with an agreed road map to move forward.
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A soft brexit is rubbish. We need to get right out or stay in, half out is not good for anyone.
 
SocketRocket said:
A soft brexit is rubbish. We need to get right out or stay in, half out is not good for anyone.
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In what way, both CBI and TUC have spoken out against a hard brexit so those representing both business and workers think a softer option is better. Yes, not leaving would be ideal but that is not a real option. Plus this does not have to be a fixed position. Why is it better to try and push over a wall rather than remove it over time, brick by brick
 
GB72 said:
In what way, both CBI and TUC have spoken out against a hard brexit so those representing both business and workers think a softer option is better. Yes, not leaving would be ideal but that is not a real option. Plus this does not have to be a fixed position. Why is it better to try and push over a wall rather than remove it over time, brick by brick
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You know, we had a referendum: da de da da de da. People voted to leave the EU not partially leave. Staying in a customs union is not leaving da de da we all know that really da de da. These options are just playing around with ignoring the referendum result, let's just leave or become a broken country that's scared of governing it's self, that lacks confidence and needs a security blanket that saps it's strength. Da de da, the unions and cbi know best, let's abandon the people's vote. They don't understand how complicated it all is, da de da. That's a funny suit of clothes the King's wearing g today. 😟
 
SocketRocket said:
I am not convinced Corbyn wants a soft Brexit. He makes those noises while he hasn't a chance of carrying them out, I believe what he really wants (based on his previous) is complete control of government so he can implement his ultra left wing policies in place. He wont want the EU influencing his policies. May could be playing him to expose his true intentions. Just a theory 🤔
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I think this is his chance to not be a dick and agree something with May that will get the support of enough of the Labour Party, as per their key tests of what ever they called them.

She's tried to get a deal through with the support of the tories and failed, Corbyn's chance now to be seen as someone who can help her get the deal done.

But he still may be a dick and just play politics with it all.
 
SocketRocket said:
You know, we had a referendum: da de da da de da. People voted to leave the EU not partially leave. Staying in a customs union is not leaving da de da we all know that really da de da. These options are just playing around with ignoring the referendum result, let's just leave or become a broken country that's scared of governing it's self, that lacks confidence and needs a security blanket that saps it's strength. Da de da, the unions and cbi know best, let's abandon the people's vote. They don't understand how complicated it all is, da de da. That's a funny suit of clothes the King's wearing g today. 😟
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WE WERE PROMISED TO LEAVE WITH A DEAL.
 
OMG what a bluddy mess. TM is asking JC in for a chat to sort it out.You couldn't script it. THAT JUST WOULDN'T HAPPEN. Yet it is. As I have said,those in power are not connected to the "man in the street" who is screaming "NO DEAL WE DON'T CARE!" I'm done with this now. I e-mailed TM direct last night to say what I wanted to say direct to her so have no desire to follow it anymore. She's lied to us and cannot be trusted now. She's now dancing with the devil and deserves everything she's now gonna get. I hope she ends up in that special place in hell that the EU bloke has got reserved for her.
 
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