Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[SocketRocket]

So they still fail to get anything past the post. How much more of this must we have to tolerate.

Its about time they let a peoples vote be the decider and we had that one in 2016 so maybe one more indicative vote now with two options: Maybot 4, or Leave with no deal.

 

[spongebob59]

Customs union one only lost by 3 so this night get through on mv3 !!!

Not sure why they are bothering as the European union correspondent, Kat e ada!ya said the only withdraw al options were TM deal, no deal or no brexit.

 

[SocketRocket]

Customs union one only lost by 3 so this night get through on mv3 !!!

Not sure why they are bothering as the European union correspondent, Kat e ada!ya said the only withdraw al options were TM deal, no deal or no brexit.

Even if it was voted for it's a horrible option. No ability to make our own trade deals, set tariffs, no say on any further rules but having to abide by them. It would be a betrail to the democratic will of the people.

 

[spongebob59]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1112828545150140416

 

[jp5]

Even if it was voted for it's a horrible option. No ability to make our own trade deals, set tariffs, no say on any further rules but having to abide by them. It would be a betrail to the democratic will of the people.

No betrayal, it would be giving the people what they voted for, though admittedly not what they were promised.

 

[SocketRocket]

Classic SNP mutterings from Ian Blackstock tonight. The SNP option being voted down is a complete disregard of Scotland's wish to remain in the EU. I guess it can't be that others just didn't like it.

 

[SocketRocket]

No betrayal, it would be giving the people what they voted for, though admittedly not what they were promised.

As I said, it would be a betrail to the democratic will of the people. They voted on leaving the EU whos institutions include the single market and customs union.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

As I said, it would be a betrail to the democratic will of the people. They voted on leaving the EU whos institutions include the single market and customs union.

No different to TM’s deal then, that’s as much as a betrayal isn’t it?

I voted leave, you voted leave, did we both vote for the same leave?

 

[Blue in Munich]

No different to TM’s deal then, that’s as much as a betrayal isn’t it?

I voted leave, you voted leave, did we both vote for the same leave?

I think those of us who voted Leave voted to be completely rid of EU control Paul, so the customs union option as outlined above would be a complete betrayal. The most disappointing thing about all of this is to find that there are politicians in Europe who would be prepared to make compromises that could deal with a lot of the issues and potentially make remaining a viable option. Sadly they are not called Tusk, Juncker or Barnier.

 

[Slab]

Looking at how the MP’s voted (by party) it’s clear that the Conservatives won’t vote for any option presented while Labour will vote for every deal regardless (as long as it’s not May’s initial deal)

Labour saying we’ll have option A but if we can’t have that we’ll have option B and if A & B don’t pass we’ll go for option C etc etc. I don’t see this as a viable strategy for a basis of the social and economic future
Conservatives saying we don’t like any option (even if the proposal came from within the party) And we don’t like our Leaders deal sufficiently to vote for that either (basically they have no clue what they want likely because they don't actually want to leave)
The only broad agreement is the majority of both parties don’t want a No Deal (which ironically is what everyone’s steering events towards)

As a collective they do seem pretty unfit for the purpose of government. When are they going to realise this is not a course of action that can be driven as a Party Political decision

 

[Slab]

Customs union one only lost by 3 so this night get through on mv3 !!!

Not sure why they are bothering as the European union correspondent, Kat e ada!ya said the only withdraw al options were TM deal, no deal or no brexit.

Although closest on head to head results I understood 320 was required for a majority last night on any option, so customs union would be 47 short

 

[SocketRocket]

No different to TM’s deal then, that’s as much as a betrayal isn’t it?

I voted leave, you voted leave, did we both vote for the same leave?

I didn't mention the PMs deal, it wasn't on the list last night. I don't like any of the current options and would prefer us to leave asap. So what do you prefer?

 

[robinthehood]

The will of the people?... Not really ..

 

[spongebob59]

Did anyone else watch Brexit storm ?

Laura K had a script from the chequers meeting, seems everyone was telling TM the deal was pants from the get go.

This whole mess appears to be TM's doing from the deal she negotiated and her refusal to budge.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

I do hope that it comes to a head very soon as we leave with no deal, I wonder if they're trying to grind us down so we'll accept any old agreement just to be done with it.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Did anyone else watch Brexit storm ?

Laura K had a script from the chequers meeting, seems everyone was telling TM the deal was pants from the get go.

This whole mess appears to be TM's doing from the deal she negotiated and her refusal to budge.

I didn't watch it, but from what you've said it was the conservative invention of the phrase "soft brexit" (ie TMs deal) that got us into the mess we're in. They were determined to not lose ties with the EU and have done everything in their power to scupper the result of the vote.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Bernard Jenkin [Essex MP] talking about how 'we allowed' NI and Scotland to vote in 'our' election.
Dimwit must think Brexit is an English only matter.

 

[jp5]

No chance TMs deal is a soft brexit - is much harder than many could have dreamed for at time of the referendum.

Brexiters in parliament would do well to accept it or face no brexit at all. The tories are seeing, once again, that nothing is ever enough for them though.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I think those of us who voted Leave voted to be completely rid of EU control Paul, so the customs union option as outlined above would be a complete betrayal. The most disappointing thing about all of this is to find that there are politicians in Europe who would be prepared to make compromises that could deal with a lot of the issues and potentially make remaining a viable option. Sadly they are not called Tusk, Juncker or Barnier.

Like you, what I thought Leave meant was never actually clarified, the only ones that tried to “explain” what leave meant were the likes of Cameron and that was dismissed as project fear.

I think it’s the use of the English language I have the problem with, ie “the death of democracy” “the will of the people being ignored” “a complete betrayal” etc.

I’m happy to go with a no deal and start again, but even in that scenario it would be naive to think we’ll get everything we want, there will be compromise in any agreement and to some even if we get 99% our own way they’ll still claim we’ve been betrayed.

 

[SocketRocket]

No chance TMs deal is a soft brexit - is much harder than many could have dreamed for at time of the referendum.

Brexiters in parliament would do well to accept it or face no brexit at all. The tories are seeing, once again, that nothing is ever enough for them though.

I think that criticism can be leveled at the whole house.