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Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Just had a little giggle to myself..... At 4:30pm today a pro brexit march started in London. Tommy Robinson, Nigel farage, ukip etc all took part and spoke in front of some fairly decent sized crowds..... I doubt many will have seen much about it as the main media outlets seem to have chosen not to run a story on it.... Unlike the anti brexit marches.

Anyway, point of my post is that I've finally seen an article on sky news about it..... And the story they choose to run..... 5 people arrested, I bet that's made the media's day 😅😂😆
 
Tashyboy said:
I don't know if I am grasping at straws or what, but I am trying to make sense out of this pigs ear of a mess, and looking at all trains of thought.
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Go back to the referendum Tash, 2 choices, stay or leave.
Stay, to a degree was an easier choice, ie, continue on the inside and accept the rules and fight for change from within.
Leave, imo, was the difficult choice, ie, it meant so many different things to so many different people, no deal, soft brexit, hard brexit, project fear, etc nobody actually defined Leave.

Now if you read Spongebob’s link post #8184 you’ll find it quite an eye opener, the EU had a plan and made a statement 5hrs after the 2016 result and they have budged on nothing.
Cameron had refused to let anybody even plan for leave result. EU had a Plan B, we still don’t.

Then look at TM and her refusal to listen or discuss with anyone outside her team and the deal she agreed to after 2yrs negotiations which was defeated by an embarassing margin and still today for a 3rd has changed nothing.

Parliament only saw the details in Dec last year, Remain MP’s were never going to back it, she’d lost the support of hard liners in her party, it went too far for some and not far enough for others, so instead of listening and trying to amend her deal to a point of getting a majority we have had all sorts of MP’s putting suggestions forward, trying to come up with an alternative that Parliament and more importantly TM would support, all to no avail and today she tried for a 3rd time, all this in 3 months!

I really don’t know what people expected Parliament to do? Should they of just shut up and accepted a bad deal?
Tried as they did, to get involved and make a lot of noise, but all to fall on deaf ears.
Push the No Deal, make a lot of people happy but take us into the unknown and hope any pain would be short term?

TM has to make some concessions, whether that’s to resign or start to listen I don’t know, but one thing’s for sure, it’s still her choice and hers alone to choose.
 
chrisd said:
Got mine yesterday and it's gone straight in the bin, democracy is dead and voting isn't worth the walk to the polling station
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I know this won't be to the taste of many, but your view was exactly mine.... Until this afternoon. I see that Nigel farage is now the leader of the "brexit party". He'll be getting my vote.
 
adam6177 said:
Just had a little giggle to myself..... At 4:30pm today a pro brexit march started in London. Tommy Robinson, Nigel farage, ukip etc all took part and spoke in front of some fairly decent sized crowds..... I doubt many will have seen much about it as the main media outlets seem to have chosen not to run a story on it.... Unlike the anti brexit marches.

Anyway, point of my post is that I've finally seen an article on sky news about it..... And the story they choose to run..... 5 people arrested, I bet that's made the media's day 😅😂😆
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You were probably in work, but both Sky News and BBC News Channel covered it live and interviewed people in the crowd, I watched it.
They didn’t broadcast any of the speech’s though and I don’t know if they did during the remain march.
 
pauldj42 said:
You were probably in work, but both Sky News and BBC News Channel covered it live and interviewed people in the crowd, I watched it.
They didn’t broadcast any of the speech’s though and I don’t know if they did during the remain march.
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I stand corrected 👍
 
What I'm interested in the selected 'alternatives' our MPs eventually distill. Does this start a new round with the EU. The crux, it to me seems is whether really the EU want the UK to say what they want - if so where have they been over the last couple of years?

What can we present in two weeks that will be inline with the Barnier's deal as agreed by the 27 and NOT to be re-opened. A General Election might bring on a new UK team but they will still have to negotiate with the same EU?

Goal posts on wheels!!
 
drdel said:
What I'm interested in the selected 'alternatives' our MPs eventually distill. Does this start a new round with the EU. The crux, it to me seems is whether really the EU want the UK to say what they want - if so where have they been over the last couple of years?

What can we present in two weeks that will be inline with the Barnier's deal as agreed by the 27 and NOT to be re-opened. A General Election might bring on a new UK team but they will still have to negotiate with the same EU?

Goal posts on wheels!!
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Maybe our only weapon is no deal and start from fresh.
 
adam6177 said:
Just had a little giggle to myself..... At 4:30pm today a pro brexit march started in London. Tommy Robinson, Nigel farage, ukip etc all took part and spoke in front of some fairly decent sized crowds..... I doubt many will have seen much about it as the main media outlets seem to have chosen not to run a story on it.... Unlike the anti brexit marches.

Anyway, point of my post is that I've finally seen an article on sky news about it..... And the story they choose to run..... 5 people arrested, I bet that's made the media's day 😅😂😆
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Easy to see bias where it doesn't exist. The march was on the BBC news headlines just now.
 
robinthehood said:
Usual uneducated guff from you. Just for once say something with a little substance.
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Thats so funny, it really is, oh dear, oh dear dear 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂. Uneducated, something with a little substance 🤣🤣🤣😂😂 All you have done here is post silly one linerers with no substance. OH! The irony ☺
 
I have criticised May on her poor negotiating and producing this terrible withdraw agreement. Lets imagine she would have taken a harder stance and negotiated a better deal that included a good free trade arrangement that satisfied the Irish border, security for EU and UK citizens etc, would such a deal still have a chance of being accepted by parliament. I imagine Labour, The SNP, Lib Dems, Green and a number of Remain Conservatives would probably vote down anything that means we leave the EU, in the case of Labour it would be voted down whatever it was other than another general election. May really has an impossible task.
 
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