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It stinks, they should be ashamed of themselves.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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It stinks, they should be ashamed of themselves.
SocketRocket
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They are not wearing tin foil helmets with an ariel attached and a bandwidth that allows me to listen in on their conversations with my valve radio. They say the reason to change their minds is that TM3 is the only current way they see Brexit happening which in their opinion is better than remaining. Although, the fact they are Tory politicians could be code for 'Dont forget the pigs head tonight'
harpo_72
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Should act on the two closest votes... confirmatory public vote and customs union.
So exit but with customs union is what we would vote on but not sure what the other would be labours alternative plan?
So exit but with customs union is what we would vote on but not sure what the other would be labours alternative plan?
SocketRocket
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You're not that precious, I'm not backing off I'm rather not wasting any more time on you're feeble efforts to try and score points by perpetuating a pathetic putdown.
SocketRocket
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If they cant reach a decision then its leave on WTO.
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My concern is now these slimey feckers are willing to back an unbackable deal, what lengths will they go to to get themselves into power?
drdel
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What these idiots seem to have forgotten is that most of the options are only applicable/relevant AFTER the UK has withdrawn since they relate to the future relationship which the EU will not yet negotiate.
IMO we have got stuck in reverse.
IMO we have got stuck in reverse.
drdel
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Involves new negotiations.
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
They don't know the meaning of the word.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Mmm...yet they're quite capable of agreeing on giving themselves a pay rise......
Let's hope they can agree black is black and white is white otherwise they might get killed on the zebra crossing going over to College Green.
Let's hope they can agree black is black and white is white otherwise they might get killed on the zebra crossing going over to College Green.
They've certainly proven what deals they don't want, and that leaves..... what?
Leave with no deal but declare open borders for trade with the proviso that any tariffs imposed will be reciprocated. Businesses in Europe will see that the UK is open to trade but it would be the EU commission that is blocking their ESTABLISHED trade routes. Let them fight amongst themselves.
Or open borders but impose high tariffs on the EU's biggest exports to the UK. I'm fairly sure that VW/Audi will soon shout and scream if the current shrinking industry was suddenly hit with a massive block to trade.
Leave with no deal but declare open borders for trade with the proviso that any tariffs imposed will be reciprocated. Businesses in Europe will see that the UK is open to trade but it would be the EU commission that is blocking their ESTABLISHED trade routes. Let them fight amongst themselves.
Or open borders but impose high tariffs on the EU's biggest exports to the UK. I'm fairly sure that VW/Audi will soon shout and scream if the current shrinking industry was suddenly hit with a massive block to trade.
bluewolf
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I'm not sure that an aggressive stance against a Trading Bloc that has already shown itself as more than capable of out-negotiation our shower of representatives is a wise move.
Don't you think that its the bending over and being supplicant has achieved the weak position we're in at the negotiating table?
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Agree 100% Brian which is why I have stated all along that we should not take 'No deal' off the table as it is our nuclear deterrent.
oxymoron
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I think its now time to just walk out with no deal , put and end to all this, and show some backbone in future negotiations
I caught the tail end of a piece on Breakfast News earlier. A City of London investment company has embraced the Brexit concept and looked outside of the EU for business. Its grown its business significantly and has been increasing staffing numbers.........
Second piece on there now. And Coutts bank are also saying all the doom mongering is a "red herring."
Second piece on there now. And Coutts bank are also saying all the doom mongering is a "red herring."
Hacker Khan
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I'd argue our weak position is just about entirely down to the fact that we have not had an unified negotiating position ourselves. The EU are just constantly asking 'What do you want'? All we ever give them are red lines, deals that don't get passed, indicative votes that no majority goes for.
I am sure there are some MPs who think that the EU will cave in as they need us more than we need them, German car manufacturers blah blah blah. And I am sure there are a few who want a no deal to run a massive economic experiment involving ultra market forces, very low taxation, that they will economically benefit from massively if it goes well but will be completely insulated from if, and in my opinion probably when it does not. But keeping a position on the table that essentially says both sides will be considerably worse off is probably not going to work any more. It's hardly forging a brave path in an exciting new world.
Doon frae Troon
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What is the point of having a backbone when all it does is place yourself in a dreadfully weak bargaining position.
Sounds a bit Monty Pythonish to me.
The other day we had Liam Fox talking up a 'new' trading deal with Iceland [do more folk work for the food company than live in the country?]
It was a poorer version of the one we already had within the EU but hey ho, it's new.
Crazyface
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I watched from 4pm with to the jaw dropping incompetence of the idiots in charge. all of whom I'll wager are educated people with a degree in something or other, but as usual, not one jot of common sense. What we will get, eventually, is a "peoples vote" becasue they can't agree and the vote will be, as has already been suggest by at least three MP's last night.
1. Do you want to leave with this incredibly stupid deal which means the UK will be shafted for ever and ever by the EU.
2. Remain (which actually wasn't an option when we had a vote in the HOC but we've tweeked it to read REMAIN instead of a vote to decide which stupid leave deal is the best, so that we can stay in).
And that is what is going to happen.
PS The EU said that we can ONLY have an extension if we agreed to a deal. We have not agreed to a deal so, if they are to be believed, will kick us out tomorrow. Will that happen? Will it footballs.
1. Do you want to leave with this incredibly stupid deal which means the UK will be shafted for ever and ever by the EU.
2. Remain (which actually wasn't an option when we had a vote in the HOC but we've tweeked it to read REMAIN instead of a vote to decide which stupid leave deal is the best, so that we can stay in).
And that is what is going to happen.
PS The EU said that we can ONLY have an extension if we agreed to a deal. We have not agreed to a deal so, if they are to be believed, will kick us out tomorrow. Will that happen? Will it footballs.
Crazyface
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And if all business had done this they'd be no scaremongering. It's just the lazy ones who are doing all of this.
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