Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[IanM]

Hand over contro

YIgnoring the fact that the economy is so healthy because of EU membership not in spite of it.

Being out of the Euro is a huge factor, an opt out we will lose soon.....among others!

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Nothing to do with membership of the EU. If that was the case all member states would be thriving. If I use FACTS to support my view they must be FACTUAL.

How about the fact that Nissan are pulling out because of brexit

Sony and Panasonic have moved buisness because of brexit?

Oh but ofc that doesn’t matter because it doesn’t support your one sided view point

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Hand over contro


Being out of the Euro is a huge factor, an opt out we will lose soon.....among others!

That’s again not true and has been completely proven to be a lie

 

[Hobbit]

Yet you use facts that say with the economy in a great position whilst we are in the EU that leaving it will be fine? Ignoring the fact that the economy is so healthy because of EU membership not in spite of it.

The EU as a whole comes in at 26 on the world's table of employment rates. 4 of the first 6 countries are non-EU. The UK sits at 12th in the table, and 50% of the first 14 countries are non-EU.

In 30th place, France.
In 31st place, Belgium.
In 32nd place, Spain.
In 35th place, Italy.
In 36th place, Greece.

I'm not sure either way if EU membership is the great definer... I'm sure Greece, Italy, Spain, Belgium and France might think otherwise.

 

[bobmac]

How about the fact that Nissan are pulling out because of brexit

CEO Takahiro Hachigo said the decision was nothing to do with Brexit and was timed to the end of the current Civic's lifecycle.

Sony and Panasonic have moved buisness because of brexit?

''Sony won't shift personnel and operations from the existing UK operations.''

''No Panasonic UK business operations will be affected by the EU headquarters move,"

Oh but ofc that doesn’t matter because it doesn’t support your one sided view point

Wouldn't you say that everyone has a one-sided viewpoint?

 

[IanM]

That’s again not true and has been completely proven to be a lie

Um, not it isnt.

And...Germany now in recession. The car industrty reps making loud noises about loss of revenue from UK business if trade impacted. (but of course that doesnt count)

Hobbit could have used youth unemployement as the indicator... and watch what happens.

But, you lot still talking trade when there issue is Federalism. Cold hard Federalism. That's been the plan since the 60s...thinnly disguised through the Common Market. morphing via its various iterations...the speeches by the various "presidents" at the end of last year finally laying that lie to rest...

In golfing terms, beware the guy arguing constantly that you made an incorrect drop, while he has has the"magic pencil" at work for several holes!

Where's the nice chap who bet me we would leave on No Deal on March 29th.... has he got his cheque book ready?

 

[Hobbit]

CEO Takahiro Hachigo said the decision was nothing to do with Brexit and was timed to the end of the current Civic's lifecycle.

Further evidenced by Honda's decision to close their other Civic production line, which isn't in the EU.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Further evidenced by Honda's decision to close their other Civic production line, which isn't in the EU.

Just a point that Nissan don’t make the Civic

Um, not it isnt.

And...Germany now in recession. The car industrty reps making loud noises about loss of revenue from UK business if trade impacted. (but of course that doesnt count)

Hobbit could have used youth unemployement as the indicator... and watch what happens.

But, you lot still talking trade when there issue is Federalism. Cold hard Federalism. That's been the plan since the 60s...thinnly disguised through the Common Market. morphing via its various iterations...the speeches by the various "presidents" at the end of last year finally laying that lie to rest...

In golfing terms, beware the guy arguing constantly that you made an incorrect drop, while he has has the"magic pencil" at work for several holes!

Where's the nice chap who bet me we would leave on No Deal on March 29th.... has he got his cheque book ready?

Sorry but it has been proven to be a lie by the leave campaign.

If we stayed in the eu we would not need to adopt the euro. That was a myth

 

[Hobbit]

Just a point that Nissan don’t make the Civic

Ah, so you're only picking the ones that suit your argument... that's clever?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Ah, so you're only picking the ones that suit your argument... that's clever?

Nope just correcting that Honda make the Civic not Nissan.
What has Nissan said about it?

 

[Hobbit]

Nope just correcting that Honda make the Civic not Nissan.
What has Nissan said about it?

If you go back far enough in the thread you'll see a few pages about the GLOBAL shrinkage in car manufacturing, including a 26% shrinkage in the USA whose manufacturing outside of the automotive industry has grown 17%.

People shouting the Brexit is leading to a significant loss in automotive manufacturing is to a large extent disingenuous.

 

[bobmac]

Nope just correcting that Honda make the Civic not Nissan.
What has Nissan said about it?

Nissan is considering plans to cut back production line shifts at its Sunderland plant in the latest setback to the UK car industry, Sky News understands.

If the Japanese carmaker goes ahead with the plan it could result in 400 jobs being threatened, Sky sources say.


The Nissan proposals would see the number of shifts on a production line making Qashqai and Leaf vehicles reduced from three to two.

A Nissan spokesman told Sky News that it was "rumour or speculation".

 

[Blue in Munich]

You could have started a lot of the process and had a plan before triggering article 50

Set up a cross party team of negotiators
Identify who we want to do deals with
Figure out which EU laws need to convert to uk law before the exit

Once those sort of things are done then trigger a50 and have 2 years to actually make a go of it


Rather than trigger it, make a lot of noise for 18 months, panic and try and hash it out in the last 6 months

I couldn’t agree more but just because I voted to leave doesn’t make me personally responsible for Parliament’s utter ineptitude.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I couldn’t agree more but just because I voted to leave doesn’t make me personally responsible for Parliament’s utter ineptitude.

I wouldn’t say or think you are responsible. I’d say parliament are at fault for a bit respect the issues that would make people want to leave and b not respecting the campaign.. making it all about fear and racism if you voted leave

 

[robinthehood]

Hand over contro


Being out of the Euro is a huge factor, an opt out we will lose soon.....among others!

That's not true, just scare mongering

 

[GB72]

That's not true, just scare mongering

Indeed, if you read the full breakdown of the agreement in question, we would actually gain more veto rights and the right to opt out of any policy that we did not wish to be part of. There is no obligation to joing the Euro in 2020, no compulsory european army and no obligation to make systems of european law the highest authority in each country.

 

[robinthehood]

Indeed, if you read the full breakdown of the agreement in question, we would actually gain more veto rights and the right to opt out of any policy that we did not wish to be part of. There is no obligation to joing the Euro in 2020, no compulsory european army and no obligation to make systems of european law the highest authority in each country.

Yep just another lie permeated by the leave campaign .

 

[Old Skier]

Is one version of events!

Is the actual version of events admitted to by Corbyn himself.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Um, not it isnt.

And...Germany now in recession. The car industrty reps making loud noises about loss of revenue from UK business if trade impacted. (but of course that doesnt count)

Hobbit could have used youth unemployement as the indicator... and watch what happens.

But, you lot still talking trade when there issue is Federalism. Cold hard Federalism. That's been the plan since the 60s...thinnly disguised through the Common Market. morphing via its various iterations...the speeches by the various "presidents" at the end of last year finally laying that lie to rest...

In golfing terms, beware the guy arguing constantly that you made an incorrect drop, while he has has the"magic pencil" at work for several holes!

Where's the nice chap who bet me we would leave on No Deal on March 29th.... has he got his cheque book ready?

I bet that Tmay would have her deal passed by the 29th March, not a No Deal. Still plenty of time to go yet. Plus I haven't had a cheque book since 1995.

 

[Old Skier]

The Russians must be working overtime

Not necessary, set your children up with email addresses and they all get a vote in the petition.