Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Deleted member 18121]

I've got my fingers crossed that the EU reject our application for an extension.... I hope that the other members are so sick of brexit that they kick us out with no deal.

I can only hope.

 

[Foxholer]

I've got my fingers crossed that the EU reject our application for an extension.... I hope that the other members are so sick of brexit that they kick us out with no deal.

I can only hope.

I wouldn't mind seeing (actually, I'd love to see) the reaction in Cabinet and by The Commons if that happens!

But I'm pretty certain that 'the other members' are far more laid back - and accepting - about the entire exercise. I believe it's only in UK that it dominates the news!

Remember though that 'No Deal' may initially cost the UK economy, but my belief is that in the long term it will 'cost' the EU more! Most agreements are made because it's in both sides interest!

 

[IanM]

Check out @TheaDickinson’s Tweet:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1106266537953034241

She actually thinks she is working for the EU.

 

[IanM]

I'll bet you a crisp tenner to be donated to the charity of my or your choice (I win, I chose the charity, you donate and vice versa if you win) that TMays deal is voted through before the end of March.

Of course.....and I'll be pleased to buy you a drink if you're at Sunningdale.

 

[Taz]

She misspoke like Diane Abacus

 

[Hacker Khan]

Of course.....and I'll be pleased to buy you a drink if you're at Sunningdale.

Afraid I won't be at Sunningdale but I'll take that bet. I'll inform you of my charity next Wednesday after the vote goes through

 

[Hacker Khan]

I’ll take this bet if you want.. if I win I want it to go to the bobby Moore fund 👌

I don’t believe it will go through

OK, I'll take it, I'll inform you of my charity next week when the vote goes through.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Is that DUP meeting with the Chancellor to discuss another round of cash for votes ?

 

[SocketRocket]

Is that DUP meeting with the Chancellor to discuss another round of cash for votes ?

Take a look on your Weejee Board.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Wee John Bull is not happy.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/img535.jpg

 

[drdel]

So Tusk (he of the Twitter world) has stated he wants a long extension (20+months) to allow the UK to rethink!

Sounds a bit like when Ireland's vote was not in accord with the EU's wishes they demanded a series of reruns - arrogance!!

 

[SocketRocket]

So Tusk (he of the Twitter world) has stated he wants a long extension (20+months) to allow the UK to rethink!

Sounds a bit like when Ireland's vote was not in accord with the EU's wishes they demanded a series of reruns - arrogance!!

And a hundred million pounds to pay for EU elections, later

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So Tusk (he of the Twitter world) has stated he wants a long extension (20+months) to allow the UK to rethink!

Sounds a bit like when Ireland's vote was not in accord with the EU's wishes they demanded a series of reruns - arrogance!!

To me it sounds like Tusk is aware of what an astonishing mess the UK has made of Brexit and it will take a bit of time to sort out.
Quite decent of him really, they could just have stood by the original UK agreement.

 

[SocketRocket]

To me it sounds like Tusk is aware of what an astonishing mess the UK has made of Brexit and it will take a bit of time to sort out.
Quite decent of him really, they could just have stood by the original UK agreement.

Don't you mean the astonishing mess the UK has allowed the EU to get us into.

 

[Foxholer]

And a hundred million pounds to pay for EU elections, later

The cost of the flawed tactics May has used to try to push 'her deal' through!

This 'cost', really an 'unplanned injection of funds into the economy', really IS down to her!

 

[Foxholer]

To me it sounds like Tusk is aware of what an astonishing mess the UK has made of Brexit and it will take a bit of time to sort out.
Quite decent of him really, they could just have stood by the original UK agreement.

Tusk seems, to me, to be hoping that the UK public will get bored and opt for another Referendum that produces a 'different' result!

He obviously doesn't understand the UK's capacity to tolerate significant periods of boredom for the occasional (and often missed!) dramatic highlights!

 

[drdel]

To me it sounds like Tusk is aware of what an astonishing mess the UK has made of Brexit and it will take a bit of time to sort out.
Quite decent of him really, they could just have stood by the original UK agreement.

Don't fall for the rhetoric.
IMO you always look to lay the blame on England and make everything the UK's fault?

It was Barnier who declared we could not discuss the future relationship before withdrawl. A crazy and artificial state of affairs: there is no logic to such a dictum. Anyone with an once of logic would want to talk about the UK/EU relationship in the 'round' so that we only dismantle what will not be needed in the future and retain and enhance those processes we wish to develop. ( I do not suggest the UK is not also at fault)

Of course the Barnier strategy is entirely logical if the main aim is to shackle the UK to the EU then; the entire focus is about disrupting negotiations to make life difficult and create an artificial 'cliff edge' by making a song and dance about a border control - which if the future relationship was integrated/agreed might not be needed in the same way as with 'any' 3rd party.

It (Barner's stance) is entirely consistent with trying to make UK stay in and the EU refusing to accept a member state making it own decision.

 

[Foxholer]

Don't fall for the rhetoric.
IMO you always look to lay the blame on England and make everything the UK's fault?

It was Barnier who declared we could not discuss the future relationship before withdrawl. A crazy and artificial state of affairs: there is no logic to such a dictum. Anyone with an once of logic would want to talk about the UK/EU relationship in the 'round' so that we only dismantle what will not be needed in the future and retain and enhance those processes we wish to develop. ( I do not suggest the UK is not also at fault)

Of course the Barnier strategy is entirely logical if the main aim is to shackle the UK to the EU then; the entire focus is about disrupting negotiations to make life difficult and create an artificial 'cliff edge' by making a song and dance about a border control - which if the future relationship was integrated/agreed might not be needed in the same way as with 'any' 3rd party.

It (Barner's stance) is entirely consistent with trying to make UK stay in and the EU refusing to accept a member state making it own decision.

I might question/disagree with some of your conclusions/preferences, but absolutely agree with your assessment here!

Of course, Tusk is working for the 'best interests of the EU Project' so it's thoroughly reasonable for him to take the stance he has!

 

[drdel]

I might question/disagree with some of your conclusions/preferences, but absolutely agree with your assessment here!

Of course, Tusk is working for the 'best interests of the EU Project' so it's thoroughly reasonable for him to take the stance he has!

Yup. So the UK has to be robust in what's best for us. Trouble is the standard of intellect and behaviour of some of our elected members leaves a lot to be desired !!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Yup. So the UK has to be robust in what's best for us. Trouble is the standard of intellect and behaviour of some of our elected members leaves a lot to be desired !!

What if 'what's best for US' is a deal that will bring more poverty, isolation and disruption to the UK.
That is what appears to be on the table.
In my opinion, 66% my countries opinion and at least 50% of the UK populations opinion, 'what's best for us is to cancel Brexit'.