Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Deleted member 21784]

You still don’t get how our parliament works.

We elect people to make decisions for us because they have more information than we do. If they think it’s correct NOT to Brexit then they should work to stop it from happening.

Sadly they aren’t altruistic and will seek to secure their own future in parliament even when they know the masses have made mistakes, like when they voted for Brexit.

Spot on. The MPs know things that we will never. This vote should never have been given to us

 

[MendieGK]

Spot on. The MPs know things that we will never. This vote should never have been given to us

Absolutely agree with this. We vote in these people to make the decisions for us as it’s their job. Giving Gary and his from the local pub a say was always a bad idea.

 

[Kellfire]

Whips them before a revote and loses by more. Tories doing what’s right for the country... unusual.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Absolutely agree with this. We vote in these people to make the decisions for us as it’s their job. Giving Gary and his from the local pub a say was always a bad idea.

We vote them in because this is the system & we have no other choice. Having seen their pathetic performance I find it impossible to believe that these are the 650 people best suited to running the country.

 

[Sweep]

Seriously, what part of, I have no opinion or interest in Labour on Brexit do you not get?

I am not defending or praising them. They could of been the greatest opposition ever with the greatest Brexit plan, the tories still had it and do have it in their control to ignore them.

Why are you so intent on bringing Labour in to the Brexit argument? It’s a deflection and red herring imo.

Everybody outside the tories only saw the deal 3 months ago, what about the previous 2 years!

I thought you might say that.

 

[robinthehood]

Well done brexiters, you both managed to get what you want and also cancel it . 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[SocketRocket]

You still don’t get how our parliament works.

We elect people to make decisions for us because they have more information than we do. If they think it’s correct NOT to Brexit then they should work to stop it from happening.

Sadly they aren’t altruistic and will seek to secure their own future in parliament even when they know the masses have made mistakes, like when they voted for Brexit.

You dont appear to understand it either. We do infact vote these people into parliament to make decisions for us but when they are elected on a platform and manifesto for the poltical party they represent we expect (and rightly so) they will act and vote to respect the policies this represents. If they then decide to ignore this platform and take a personal contrary view they should resign the whip and morally either resign or seek a bi-election as an independent or candidate for another party.

If a matter arrises of such constitutional change that they feel the Public should make the ultimate decision then we have the instrument available in referenda to do this. We did invoke a referendum when we decide to join the EU and when the vote for this was 'Yes' to join there was no question of another referedum once we had found out more detail on the terms of joining.

In conclusion, you are correct we elect them to represent us but they also have a duty to listen to us when they ask us a question and when the result of our decision is voted into law to ensure it is carried through irrespective of their personal preferences.

 

[SocketRocket]

Well done brexiters, you both managed to get what you want and also cancel it . 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Another pointless post that adds nothing to the debate.🙄

 

[SocketRocket]

Absolutely agree with this. We vote in these people to make the decisions for us as it’s their job. Giving Gary and his from the local pub a say was always a bad idea.

Watching the recent parliamentary debacle unfold do you honestly believe these people are able to make sensible decisions for us.

 

[robinthehood]

Another pointless post that adds nothing to the debate.

Lol , like every single post you make
Face it, you had your chance but your poster boy rees mog messed it up. 🤣😂😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

 

[Kellfire]

Another pointless post that adds nothing to the debate.🙄

This isn’t only a debate forum - it’s also for people sharing their views.

 

[SocketRocket]

Lol , like every single post you make
Face it, you had your chance but your poster boy rees mog messed it up. 🤣😂😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

Assinous.

 

[SocketRocket]

This isn’t only a debate forum - it’s also for people sharing their views.

Do you really consider that a view worth sharing, it's pathetic.

 

[Sweep]

You still don’t get how our parliament works.

We elect people to make decisions for us because they have more information than we do. If they think it’s correct NOT to Brexit then they should work to stop it from happening.

Sadly they aren’t altruistic and will seek to secure their own future in parliament even when they know the masses have made mistakes, like when they voted for Brexit.

I understand very well how Parliament works, thank you.
To use your logic, we should only be allowed an opinion until we have cast our ballot. After that we should devolve our opinion to the successful candidate, whether we voted for him / her or not. Even if they abandon their pre election promises once they are elected, as many have done here.
If you really believe that, why are you even on this thread?
After today, how can you possibly say that our MP’s know more than us? They don’t even know how a basic negotiation works! They have voted to tie the hands of their own negotiating team.
How many MP’s do you think have ever been in business dealing with companies in the EU? I have done it every day for the past 20 years. Please don’t tell me they know more about it than me.
If they did know one jot about business importing from and exporting to the EU, they certainly wouldn’t be leaving this so late and creating so much uncertainty. I deal with one multi-million £ business who can’t even order a car for one of their execs for delivery in 3 weeks because it comes from Germany and they don’t know what the cost will be and if there will be any duty to pay.
You are only saying the public are too thick and MP’s are so clever because the public voted for something you don’t like. End of.
MP’s know more than us? You are having a laugh.

 

[robinthehood]

Do you really consider that a view.

Of course it's a view
Your only chance to leave the EU has passed you by. No amount of childish insults from you can change that. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I thought you might say that.

Why ask then?

 

[Hacker Khan]

I’d of had more respect for TM if she’d of told the EU were to stick their deal and showed some leadership, the last 3 months in particular have been a total waste of time, EU won’t budge, DUP won’t budge, SNP & Labour plans no good.
But not her fault and a poison chalice! Nah, she’s strung the Country along and embarrassed us.

The more I think about it the more I am convinced that the ERG and DUP will fold and vote for the existing deal. The alternative would be either a long delay or a softer brexit to get labour on board.

I tells you, she will get her deal passed soon.

 

[SocketRocket]

Of course it's a view
Your only chance to leave the EU has passed you by. No amount of childish insults from you can change that. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I do agree you are an expert on childish comments so will not take that away from you. 👍👍

 

[Sweep]

So the no deal vote was passed with a majority of less than 1% of MP’s.
I wonder why there have been no calls for a second vote?

 

[Sweep]

Why ask then?

Let’s just say I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and hoped for something different.