Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Jamesbrown]

I thought that’s what all politicians do? Lie. It’s either all false, partly false or pants on fire.
We choose what lies we like best or which ones to disregard. They’ve all spouted twaddle to gain your attention and votes.

That is the world, from media, marketing, papers, news and politicians. Welcome to Earth.

“Everybody lies”

Gregory House

 

[bluewolf]

You are twisting my words now so do I call you a liar, of course I dont because its crude and childish. I don't defend him I rather criticise you and others who like to be selective in your condemnations. If you want to go around calling people in politics liars then dont give the impression its a trait unique to Boris.

How about people in journalism then? Or people in relationships? Or absent Fathers?

If we’re willing to accept our politicians brazenly lying to us, then how about the above?

 

[SocketRocket]

How about people in journalism then? Or people in relationships? Or absent Fathers?

If we’re willing to accept our politicians brazenly lying to us, then how about the above?

But were not talking about them are we. I fail to see the relevance in your comment (see, i didn't call it absolute rubbish) I am not saying that people in all kinds of situations don't tell untruths or lies if you prefer,. I would suggest however blatantly calling someone in a 'Liar' is crude and especially if its where they have changed their minds. I think its become a fashion with some people and in the case of Boris its bordering on the pitchfork brigade mentality.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

But were not talking about them are we. I fail to see the relevance in your comment (see, i didn't call it absolute rubbish) I am not saying that people in all kinds of situations don't tell untruths or lies if you prefer,. I would suggest however blatantly calling someone in a 'Liar' is crude and especially if its where they have changed their minds. I think its become a fashion with some people and in the case of Boris its bordering on the pitchfork brigade mentality.

The man has built a career on lies, it’s not just a “fib” it’s full blown dangerous lies, please feel free to show any politician from any party that has anywhere near the record he has for telling lies.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

I like reading some of the Twitter stuff from Led by Donkeys, it details all the lies and deceit by brexiteers - Johnson, Gove & Farage in particular

 

[robinthehood]

Boris is a bullshitter. Thats a fact.

A politician making a U turn is acceptable and happens often.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

The man has built a career on lies, it’s not just a “fib” it’s full blown dangerous lies, please feel free to show any politician from any party that has anywhere near the record he has for telling lies.

Didn’t he get sacked by a newspaper for making stuff up?

 

[robinthehood]

Didn’t he get sacked by a newspaper for making stuff up?

Yep, man's a serial liar.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Yep, man's a serial liar.

Too immoral for an already morally corrupt industry - some guy 😮

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Didn’t he get sacked by a newspaper for making stuff up?

Yes, absolutely, sacked from The Times and at least 2 other jobs.

 

[harpo_72]

Yes, absolutely, sacked from The Times and at least 2 other jobs.

There is a fantastic quote from them ... pretty damning stuff

 

[Slime]

Absolute, unqualified nonsense. The truth of the matter is that the Benn act brought BJ back to the table after he had sought to engineer a No Deal exit. His blustering lies had absolutely no effect other than to get him the job. Only lard filled idiots like Mark Francois could ever believe that promise.

The truth of the matter is that the Benn Act took away our ace of trumps and that made the EU's hand so much stronger.

 

[Slime]

But the conversation wasn’t about her - it was about the lies of the PM , is that the only answer , to attempt to divert on to someone else ?

It was actually about BJ's alleged 'lie' about leaving on October 31st.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

The truth of the matter is that the Benn Act took away our ace of trumps and that made the EU's hand so much stronger.

We had an ace?
& it was a trump card?
I just thought we had a damp squib, aka Boris 💩

 

[Slime]

I don't think it's right to call Boris stupid. A liar? Yes. Duplicitous? Probably. But stupid? Almost certainly not.

I wasn't.
I was asking whether BlueWolf thought that, as opposed to a liar, based on his reply to an earlier question I'd asked.

 

[bluewolf]

The truth of the matter is that the Benn Act took away our ace of trumps and that made the EU's hand so much stronger.

Well, that’s what the Daily Mail and The Sun told you anyway, eh?

 

[Slime]

We had an ace?
& it was a trump card?
I just thought we had a damp squib, aka Boris 💩

Correct.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Correct.

So if you agree that all we had was a 2nd rate politician lying to the electorate how can you think we had an ace of trumps?

 

[Swinglowandslow]

That analogy doesn't work. Other people buying tickets doesn't affect your chances of winning.

Would work better if you promised to win the lottery but others stopped you from buying a ticket.[/QU

You are twisting my words now so do I call you a liar, of course I dont because its crude and childish. I don't defend him I rather criticise you and others who like to be selective in your condemnations. If you want to go around calling people in politics liars then dont give the impression its a trait unique to Boris.

Exactly. There is a readily identifiable group here attacking Boris as if he is the only politician who has lied. So, ok, those supporting a political party or cause are likely to call the opposition politicians liars generally, at times. Goes with the territory.
As it happens, I think they all do so at one time or another.
What I am objecting to is when a specific incident is picked out as a lie, and having a laugh about it, when any fair minded person knows it wasn't.
Boris said he, as head of the Government, would take us out on 31st.
He said that would happen if he got a deal, and he made it clear it would happen if he didn't get a deal.
And when he said it the Government was in control of that decision.
The HoC knew it, the EU knew it and so did the public.
Then the unprecedented happened. The speaker allowed some members to take the House's order of business away from the Government's control and
they schemed for and created a law forbidding the Prime minister from leaving on 31st with no deal.
If he did , he would become a criminal. They knew that no PM would do that.
Now all they had to do was ensure that if he came back with a deal to be approved by the House that they would continue their unholy alliance and vote it down. Which they did.

Then when the Oct 31st date passed, they start to crow , like you lot are doing now, that he broke his promise.
You are twisting the truth- shame on you.

 

[Slime]

Well, that’s what the Daily Mail and The Sun told you anyway, eh?

Oh, how very droll and not the slightest bit clever.
I do have my own mind ............................. (if you remember).