Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[chrisd]

Yes, the Mail was always going to be the ones to print his story but its his words and his views and he said that they are guilty of "institutional liberal bias" and that the BBC bosses "wallowed in despair " when Britain voted Leave. He also says "the logic seems to be that if they feel strongly about a given issue the BBC should not only listen to them but modify its output to reflect their own world view"

 

[Hobbit]

I just see the BBC report the news - simple as that , same with Sky , ITV etc - I guess people will call them bias when they report on something they don’t agree with

I don’t watch question time etc so I don’t know what this Bias against Brexit actually is

I see the Beeb read the news, and then run editorials of the news. When a news piece moves from the news headline onto a comment of that news thats when it becomes an opinion of the news. And it is opinions that can show bias. I often switch off to the reader when they shift from reporting to commenting. @Phil, the next time you watch the news, watch out for the shift from reporting to commenting. It'll be something you've seen many times and have just accepted as the norm - but think on it, and listen for the comment. Then ask yourself does the comment use emotive language. It might even be something subjective like "heavy shelling." The use of heavy could be construed as emotive. Think, define "heavy." And that when the piece has a bias.

The bias might be as simple as emotive language, e.g. a "crash out Brexit." "Crash out" is emotive and infers negativity. Until proven otherwise, will Brexit be a crash out?

Ofcom completed an investigation in Feb of this year, saying the Beeb showed no bias, but by the end of March had reversed its findings. It raised concerns about time allocated to proponents of both sides of the argument, saying that Brexit supporters were more likely to be interrupted then Remain supporters, and were given less time to answer.

A YouGov poll at the same time concluded that 45% of Leave supporters were concerned about bias and, surprisingly, 13% of Remain supporters were also concerned about the negative reporting of Brexit.

One of the things with bias is if someone displays a bias that is inline with your own views you won't see a bias, you'll see an affirmation.

 

[harpo_72]

Be careful with the Mail, they drag up all kinds of rubbish.
The problem with the news where ever presented has now got opinions as opposed to delivering just facts
Has anyone else noticed how all the itv news ten team mimic Peston’s Delivery?

 

[Hitdaball]

Should it be a surprise that in a liberal democracy institutions could display a bias to liberalism?

 

[chrisd]

Be careful with the Mail, they drag up all kinds of rubbish.
The problem with the news where ever presented has now got opinions as opposed to delivering just facts
Has anyone else noticed how all the itv news ten team mimic Peston’s Delivery?

My post specifically refers to the book written by John Humphrys after he left the BBC

 

[Foxholer]

Be careful with the Mail, they drag up all kinds of rubbish.
The problem with the news where ever presented has now got opinions as opposed to delivering just facts
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Considering the origins of 'Newspapers' (Broadsheets spreading their owners opinions), it's hardly surprising!

The hypocrisy of The Mail knows no bounds - imo of course!

 

[Old Skier]

When things get interesting I turn to Al Jazeera. Normal give it pretty straight. Trouble with news these days is it's on 24 hrs and there ain't enough news for it.

Problem with many of them is that they are script readers and cannot change the script even when they are told something completely different. Yesterday Simon Coulder the travel journalist corrected the BBC on air when they stated that thousands of Thomas Cook holiday makers would be stranded, he informed them that in cases like this normally over 95% are repatriated on the normal day at the end of their holidays. Next bulletin "Thousands of tourist to be stranded". They want to make the story.

 

[spongebob59]

good luck with this

 

[spongebob59]

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

BiL feeling screwed by brexit. He teaches English as a foreign language and his contacts are telling him that jobs in EU are going to Irish teachers - and that language schools are not interested in taking on any brits given extra bit of hassle once uk out of eu. Brit with extra cost and paperwork or Irish eu citizen without?

Don’t know if it is true what he is being told - can imagine it might be - would eu-based schools be allowed to discriminate against brits in this way?

Anyone got any facts that tell me his contacts are mistaken and that brexit shouldn’t make any difference to his employment prospects?

 

[Hobbit]

BiL feeling screwed by brexit. He teaches English as a foreign language and his contacts are telling him that jobs in EU are going to Irish teachers - and that language schools are not interested in taking on any brits given extra bit of hassle once uk out of eu. Brit with extra cost and paperwork or Irish eu citizen without?

Don’t know if it is true what he is being told - can imagine it might be - would eu-based schools be allowed to discriminate against brits in this way?

Anyone got any facts that tell me his contacts are mistaken and that brexit shouldn’t make any difference to his employment prospects?

If Brexit happens, and the job he has is a contract job with a renewal date post-Brexit, the employer will incur extra costs to employ someone from a 3rd country. I took on a few from Oz, NZ and SA. Cost about £2k per person - no doubt more now.

 

[SocketRocket]

BiL feeling screwed by brexit. He teaches English as a foreign language and his contacts are telling him that jobs in EU are going to Irish teachers - and that language schools are not interested in taking on any brits given extra bit of hassle once uk out of eu. Brit with extra cost and paperwork or Irish eu citizen without?

Don’t know if it is true what he is being told - can imagine it might be - would eu-based schools be allowed to discriminate against brits in this way?

Anyone got any facts that tell me his contacts are mistaken and that brexit shouldn’t make any difference to his employment prospects?

I heard we will be employing Canadians as French Teachers after Brexit. Dont know if its true 🤥

 

[robinthehood]

BiL feeling screwed by brexit. He teaches English as a foreign language and his contacts are telling him that jobs in EU are going to Irish teachers - and that language schools are not interested in taking on any brits given extra bit of hassle once uk out of eu. Brit with extra cost and paperwork or Irish eu citizen without?

Don’t know if it is true what he is being told - can imagine it might be - would eu-based schools be allowed to discriminate against brits in this way?

Anyone got any facts that tell me his contacts are mistaken and that brexit shouldn’t make any difference to his employment prospects?

Not much help, but my friend is a TEFL teacher living in Poland and has recently become dual British and Irish for the reasons you mention.
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[Foxholer]

If Brexit happens, and the job he has is a contract job with a renewal date post-Brexit, the employer will incur extra costs to employ someone from a 3rd country. I took on a few from Oz, NZ and SA. Cost about £2k per person - no doubt more now.

That sounds a bit weird! Was that because you 'sponsored' them into UK for the contract duration?
As a Kiwi with right to live and work in UK, there was never any additional costs for the IT contracts I had.

@SILH Would seem advisable for bro to find out what arrangements HE needs to have in order to continue his work in EU area. Perhaps through an EU based company, owned by bro, that 'employs' him and takes responsibility for arranging paperwork - or equivalent. I'm sure there's EU based accountants who can sort that sort of thing out.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Sunday/Daily Mail reader complains about BBC bias...……..heard it all now,

I see The Mail were going to post up the home address of one of the Johnson prorogue trial lawyers.
Nice people, probably hoping that one of their readers would give them another Jo Cox headline.

 

[SocketRocket]

Sunday/Daily Mail reader complains about BBC bias...……..heard it all now,

I see The Mail were going to post up the home address of one of the Johnson prorogue trial lawyers.
Nice people, probably hoping that one of their readers would give them another Jo Cox headline.

Unbelievable post 😕

 

[Hobbit]

That sounds a bit weird! Was that because you 'sponsored' them into UK for the contract duration?
As a Kiwi with right to live and work in UK, there was never any additional costs for the IT contracts I had.

@SILH Would seem advisable for bro to find out what arrangements HE needs to have in order to continue his work in EU area. Perhaps through an EU based company, owned by bro, that 'employs' him and takes responsibility for arranging paperwork - or equivalent. I'm sure there's EU based accountants who can sort that sort of thing out.

A Tier2 work visa for non-EU/EFTA = £575 and has a life of 3 years. Even if you give them a perm contract, the visa has to be renewed every 3 years. With additional costs, we used to budget for £2k per visa. We were licensed to sponsor Tier2 and Tier5 migrants.

 

[Kellfire]

Unbelievable post 😕

Unbelievable yet probably true.

 

[IanM]

Sunday/Daily Mail reader complains about BBC bias...……..heard it all now,

I see The Mail were going to post up the home address of one of the Johnson prorogue trial lawyers.
Nice people, probably hoping that one of their readers would give them another Jo Cox headline.

No, it's only Labour thugs who pitch up outside restaurants and private homes and intimidate peoples' children......


And did I hear that Labour won't formalise their Brexit Policy till after the Election? What planet are they on?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I'm struggling to understand how anyone within Labour can think this Brexit policy is a good idea. The very fact they are having to constantly explain it shows it is confused. This will damage them hugely at the ballot box if they run with this.