Boris the PM - a new beginning

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chrisd said:
Given we dont vote for the PM then we don't have any argument who we end up with, we just vote differently next time. Bear in mind there was talk that Boris could lose his constituency seat in the last election and we could therefore have ended up with a different PM. We know that before we vote
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Of course we have an argument, we want the best person, strong, a leader, etc, not a puppet or a gutless fall person.

You really have to stop believing everything you read in the papers.;)
 
pauldj42 said:
Of course we have an argument, we want the best person, strong, a leader, etc, not a puppet or a gutless fall person.

You really have to stop believing everything you read in the papers.;)
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Only time will tell how Boris will be remembered in history, he was only in serious power once elected with a decent majority and then coronavirus hit which has thrown everything up in the air. Believe me Paul I dont buy a paper!
 
chrisd said:
Only time will tell how Boris will be remembered in history, he was only in serious power once elected with a decent majority and then coronavirus hit which has thrown everything up in the air. Believe me Paul I dont buy a paper!
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Well his history up to now doesn’t seem to have stopped him.
But, if his MP’s decide they’ve had enough they can choose another PM without any say from the electorate, surely apart from illness, if we lose a PM it should mean a GE and that goes for whoever Party is in power and should of happened when Blair left.
 
pauldj42 said:
Well his history up to now doesn’t seem to have stopped him.
But, if his MP’s decide they’ve had enough they can choose another PM without any say from the electorate, surely apart from illness, if we lose a PM it should mean a GE and that goes for whoever Party is in power and should of happened when Blair left.
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But his history up to now is that some dislike him and others like him, and anyway I hope no one sees Starmer as an acceptable alternative. Given we only vote for our constituency MP then the PM can come and go whenever and there is no requirement for a GE and, imo, nor should there be.
 
The party leader is the person who the electorate see and the press focus on, the local mp may have a following but if they don’t have any thing to offer they are dismissed and the electorate look at the party leader.

No one talked about how good some of the labour mps were they just discussed Corbin or Abbot ... it is what the London press feed them.
 
harpo_72 said:
The party leader is the person who the electorate see and the press focus on, the local mp may have a following but if they don’t have any thing to offer they are dismissed and the electorate look at the party leader.

No one talked about how good some of the labour mps were they just discussed Corbin or Abbot ... it is what the London press feed them.
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the labour administartion were full of Corbyn cronies - the only decent one amont them was Tom watson and he was forced out by the Troskyite mafia!

Mind, i am not going to bang on about quality in the current Tory party as it is not exactly brimming with talent - and Gavin Williamson should have fallen on the sword weeks ago - very unimpressed with him!!
 
chrisd said:
But his history up to now is that some dislike him and others like him, and anyway I hope no one sees Starmer as an acceptable alternative. Given we only vote for our constituency MP then the PM can come and go whenever and there is no requirement for a GE and, imo, nor should there be.
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Keep on track Chris:devilish: this is a thread about boris, feel free to start a new one on Starmer to save being accussed of deflection.;)
 
Old Skier said:
Trouble is, we have close to 650 donkeys in Westminster these days. Not sure how we can ever get back to MPs who care more about the country than themselves. Perhaps by getting an electorate that does first.
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I'd argue it is down the parties a lot as well. We used to have a really good Labour constituency MP who seemingly had little ambition to rise up the political ladder, but was very good for his local constituents. We then had Soubry who despite her many faults, at least gave the impression she was interested in her constituents. We now have a conservative MP who fits the required Brexit related profile of the rebranded Tory party, was parachuted in to the area and who is essentially a party lapdog.

For example in the recent furore over the A levels he said nothing when it was going on, the silence was deafening. And then literally a few minutes after the U turn on using the centre assessed grades, out comes a tweet and he's on local media expressing sympathy with the students, saying the new system is much fairer, the students deserve better blah blah blah. And you just think, where was this sympathy and empathy for the students before the announcement was made? And he just comes across as cynical and a mouthpiece for the party. I accept that MPs mostly have to tow the party line, but it seems with more and more MPs on both sides its the party line 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th with their constituents needs after that. And if that is your choice on the ballot box then what can the electorate do?
 
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PNWokingham said:
the labour administartion were full of Corbyn cronies - the only decent one amont them was Tom watson and he was forced out by the Troskyite mafia!

Mind, i am not going to bang on about quality in the current Tory party as it is not exactly brimming with talent - and Gavin Williamson should have fallen on the sword weeks ago - very unimpressed with him!!
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Pretty much the point .. the press highlighted and portrayed certain mps a certain way and influenced the election. I am sure also their are decent Tory politicians, but they may not fit Boris’ agenda. The electorate voted for Boris, and his position as pm was cemented on that vote. So like it or not mps like Gav, are what the majority want if he has the backing of Boris.
 
Hacker Khan said:
I'd argue it is down the parties a lot as well. We used to have a really good Labour constituency MP who seemed had little ambition to rise up the political ladder, but did what he could for his constituents. We then had Soubry who despite her many faults, at least gave the impression she was interested in her constituents. We now have a conservative MP who fits the required Brexit related profile of the rebranded Tory party, was parachuted in to the area and who is essentially a party lapdog.

For example in the recent furore over the A levels he said nothing when it was going on, the silence was deafening. And then literally a few minutes after the U turn on using the centre assessed grades, out comes a tweet and he's on local media expressing sympathy with the students, saying the new system is much fairer, the students deserve better blah blah blah. And you just think, where was this sympathy and empathy for the students before the announcement was made? And he just comes across as cynical and a mouthpiece for the party. I accept that MPs mostly have to tow the party line, but it seems with more and more MPs on both sides its the party line 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th with their constituents needs after that. And if that is your choice on the ballot box then what can the electorate do?
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This pretty much is where British politics has got to... we have politicians who have no life experiences and are just people who seek power .. kind of expected given Instagram Tik tok Facebook etc ... is the go to method of making money.
 
Old Skier said:
There’s always stand, personally I would love to see everyone support and help Independent candidates but to many still vote on how their old man did.
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I think unless they are standing on a very specific local area issue then independents just will not get the media exposure needed to run a successful campaign.
 
chrisd said:
But his history up to now is that some dislike him and others like him, and anyway I hope no one sees Starmer as an acceptable alternative. ...
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Pray tell why not?
Certainly Corbyn was unelectable, but Starmer seems far more 'moderate' to me!
 
Foxholer said:
Pray tell why not?
Certainly Corbyn was unelectable, but Starmer seems far more 'moderate' to me!
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I think Starmer is a canny politician and has played it well so far, letting Johnson's screw ups play out without providing a distraction. He is also good on logic, facts and calm reason, none of which Johnson does too well.

It is a long way between that and a viable future Govt, though.
 
We get the politicians we deserve. If the population must have a Country/World where freedom of speech is no longer desired, where we are all expected to have homogenoeus views that conform to the PC rules of the thought police then our Parliament becomes a pool of grey soup where everyone is scared of making policy as someone somewhere may be offended by it.
 
Hacker Khan said:
I think unless they are standing on a very specific local area issue then independents just will not get the media exposure needed to run a successful campaign.
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I think that in these days of the internet anything is possible but unfortunately most people are to apathetic to try anything outside of what we have always done. 2 1/4 party politics is rubbish here or in any country these days, even proportional representation doesn’t work IMO.
 
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