Boris the PM - a new beginning

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Doon frae Troon said:
Goodness me.
Looks like Johnsons star will shine only briefly
No surprise to me, I always said he will be gone by Christmas.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/othe...and-adrift/ar-BB16oq8a?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds
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It's a short but interesting piece sourcing views from across the political spectrum.
The job is too big for Johnson, many of us knew it would be and that was before the coronavirus nightmare. I think a lot of his own party know that too, the reliance on ChiefSpad is all too clear. Campaigning and Governing are 2 totally different beasts.
However with an 80 seat majority the only ones who can force him out are his own party. If there was to be an ousting (or more likely step down) surely it'd come a fair bit closer but not too close to the next GE, maybe mid 2023?
 
So we have offered citizenship to 3m HK residents .... what’s the opinion? Good / Bad? UK is doing this unilaterally without EU. On the other hand, BoJo wants relationship with China after Brexit...

Which way will this go??
 
Mudball said:
So we have offered citizenship to 3m HK residents .... what’s the opinion? Good / Bad? UK is doing this unilaterally without EU. On the other hand, BoJo wants relationship with China after Brexit...

Which way will this go??
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I think the China relationship will change, I can see Huawei getting the push from G5 but China needs western markets; so much of their posturing will probably be just that.
 
SocketRocket said:
I think the China relationship will change, I can see Huawei getting the push from G5 but China needs western markets; so much of their posturing will probably be just that.
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While it sounds like the Germans need to sell us cars, China does need western market... But equally, they have a massive internal market which they can pump prime. 10 yrs ago they did the same... gave all citizens incentives to buy China made white goods... turned the economy around even while the west was tanking. The west also needs China to consume more. Dyson to Merc, everyone wants China

Equally Chinese have more wisdom than Trump.. they will play along as long as it suits their needs
 
How very Trumpian was Johnson today in the HoC - denying that he said what he said about care homes two days ago. When we all know exactly what he said, and that he said precisely what he told us today that he didn't say.

Unfortunately his acolytes and 'Only Ever BoJoers' will not call him out for that latest deceit perpetrated on the UK public.

And though he told us today that his government takes responsibility for all that has happened (really - or just the good stuff?) - he refused to apologise for getting it wrong over care homes - even though we all know that we can - in all good faith and based upon out best judgements - still get things wrong. And when we do we know that it is always best that we just hold up our hands with a 'mea culpa'.

Because that is what taking responsibility means.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
How very Trumpian was Johnson today in the HoC - denying that he said what he said about care homes two days ago. When we all know exactly what he said, and that he said precisely what he told us today that he didn't say.

Unfortunately his acolytes and 'Only Ever BoJoers' will not call him out for that latest deceit perpetrated on the UK public.

And though he told us today that his government takes responsibility for all that has happened (really - or just the good stuff?) - he refused to apologise for getting it wrong over care homes - even though we all know that we can - in all good faith and based upon out best judgements - still get things wrong. And when we do we know that it is always best that we just hold up our hands with a 'mea culpa'.

Because that is what taking responsibility means.
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'BoJoers' is that your latest insult for people who have a different opinion.
 
SocketRocket said:
'BoJoers' is that your latest insult for people who have a different opinion.
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Well plenty seem to refer to him as BoJo without getting attacked for doing so - and it just seems the natural extension for those who will follow and believe him no matter what he says or does - and as supporters of Cameron would or might have been Cameroons or Cameronians; of Blair - Blairites; of Brown - Broonies; and of May - Maybies? :)

Perhaps he'd quite like to be known as AdePJ as many like being referred to by their initials and AdePJ is rather distinguished. Never cuddly, dishevelled Boris for me I'm afraid (though did I spot in PMQs that he seemed to have had his hair cut and combed?)
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Well plenty seem to refer to him as BoJo without getting attacked for doing so - and it just seems the natural extension for those who will follow and believe him no matter what he says or does - and as supporters of Cameron would or might have been Cameroons or Cameronians; of Blair - Blairites; of Brown - Broonies; and of May - Maybies? :)

Perhaps he'd quite like to be known as AdePJ as many like being referred to by their initials and AdePJ is rather distinguished. Never cuddly, dishevelled Boris for me I'm afraid (though did I spot in PMQs that he seemed to have had his hair cut and combed?)
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It seems to me that the comments on the PM are getting more juvenile by the minute. I admit to having worked on projects in which he was involved. Based on that experience I never had cause to think he lied or was anything other than well briefed and professional and I respect him based on that time. As with all politicians I try and get behind the rhetoric to the substance by using my own knowledge and 'research' of factual sources.

I accept that many others may have a different view but I do not disrespect them and their right to their expressing those views. I'd never bother to call these people childish names in the way in which you and others have as you/they chose to do to define anyone who dare suggest agreement with the PM: especially when the personal insults are largely based on second-hand media commentary and subject ignorance.

I do not blindly support everything he has done or says and, as PM, it is right that he and the Government are held accountable. However rather than question and argue in a constructive manner you make, what I find silly assertions, e.g. "...those who will follow and believe him no matter what he says or does..." and this is as daft as the name calling which displays a lack of respect for the opinions of others in what Id hope could be a grown-up debate.

I leave the playground to the opposition....
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Well plenty seem to refer to him as BoJo without getting attacked for doing so - and it just seems the natural extension for those who will follow and believe him no matter what he says or does - and as supporters of Cameron would or might have been Cameroons or Cameronians; of Blair - Blairites; of Brown - Broonies; and of May - Maybies? :)

Perhaps he'd quite like to be known as AdePJ as many like being referred to by their initials and AdePJ is rather distinguished. Never cuddly, dishevelled Boris for me I'm afraid (though did I spot in PMQs that he seemed to have had his hair cut and combed?)
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It would have been easier to just say 'Yes'
 
I'm not hearing that much these days from Johnson or his buddies on his 'oven-ready deal' with the EU, and 'a frictionless NI/rUK' border. Or were these always just chimeras that he spouted to convince and that many believed. :(
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I'm not hearing that much these days from Johnson or his buddies on his 'oven-ready deal' with the EU, and 'a frictionless NI/rUK' border. Or were these always just chimeras that he spouted to convince and that many believed. :(
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Nice comment from someone the other day.

It's all very well having oven ready deals but what happens when those in charge forgot to switch the oven on.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Nice comment from someone the other day.

It's all very well having oven ready deals but what happens when those in charge forgot to switch the oven on.
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...and I suppose in the context of NI, a peaceful Sunday spent yesterday at Drumcree would be considered frictionless - as in - if you're not trying to knock lumps out of the security services then that's frictionless...as a result for border control almost anything can be relatively frictionless...
 
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