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Boris the PM - a new beginning

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drdel said:
But businesses want closure ASAP.
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Of course they do. Pity that not that long ago Johnson has spoken in a rather less than complimentary way about concerns of business. Besides, does Johnson not continue to plonk concerns raised by business and industry representatives into the Project Fear bucket.

Situation would not have risen for business had the Tories and such as Johnson, Gove and Raab in particular not triggered this mess - this terrible uncertainly.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Of course they do. Pity that not that long ago Johnson has spoken in a rather less than complimentary way about concerns of business. Besides, does Johnson not continue to plonk concerns raised by business and industry representatives into the Project Fear bucket.

Situation would not have risen for business had the Tories and such as Johnson, Gove and Raab in particular not triggered this mess - this terrible uncertainly.
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Who is perpetuating the uncertainty? Boris for saying Oct 31st, "do or die," or those that want keep kicking the can down the road?
 
Hobbit said:
Who is perpetuating the uncertainty? Boris for saying Oct 31st, "do or die," or those that want keep kicking the can down the road?
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Those who cannot in all conscience support an Exit from the EU without a deal - taken there by a reckless, cynical and clueless (about life after) government - into a situation that they consider to be very likely significantly damaging to the country and their constituents.

And surely if all is going to be OK and business believes that they are being told all is going to be OK - then business would make decisions on that basis. That they are not, suggests to me that business does not believe that all will be OK - or they think that there will be a big difference between the business environment in the event of a step-change (as it will be) No Deal and that coming about through a managed deal.

As it happens I think that Johnson might fold and go for a deal that has a Irish Sea EU/UK trade border.

He will have seen security briefings on the factors/scenarios giving rise to an increase in border tensions - and if we leave without a deal - and notwithstanding any 'invisible' border controls - the fact of the Irish economy and Irish people being very badly hit by the actions of the UK (as the repubican hardliners will see it) - might be one of these.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Those who cannot in all conscience support an Exit from the EU without a deal - taken there by a reckless, cynical and clueless (about life after) government - into a situation that they consider to be very likely significantly damaging to the country and their constituents.

And surely if all is going to be OK and business believes that they are being told all is going to be OK - then business would make decisions on that basis. That they are not, suggests to me that business does not believe that all will be OK - or they think that there will be a big difference between the business environment in the event of a step-change (as it will be) No Deal and that coming about through a managed deal.

As it happens I think that Johnson might fold and go for a deal that has a Irish Sea EU/UK trade border.

He will have seen security briefings on the factors/scenarios giving rise to an increase in border tensions - and if we leave without a deal - and notwithstanding any 'invisible' border controls - the fact of the Irish economy and Irish people being very badly hit by the actions of the UK (as the repubican hardliners will see it) - might be one of these.
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Who the hell is writing your script? John Bercow or that other idiot, O'Brien?

And you know all these things because you've spoken to your mate down the pub and your French barber?

Business don't want any barriers to trade whatsoever. The only way to achieve that is Remain. Of course they're going to issue dire predictions. It has sod all to do with cliff edge and crash out. Its all to do with their margins and has nothing to do with British politics and respecting the electorate or any particular govt.

We've done it to death, the bumps in the road and your unicorns running up the Mall. You are a zealot Remainer, as bad as Farage and Johnson are Leavers. There's no middle ground for you, nor respect of those that voted Leave. You want one thing and one thing only, irrespective of the UK having its biggest vote in history, which Parliament then followed the process of triggering Art 50 and the Withdrawal Bill.

The EU economy is tanking - there's plenty out there to read, not just in the UK media. And the EU army that will never happen is now spoken about very openly. The changes to unanimous voting to qualified majority is just around the corner, and Albania and ???? have passed the first stage of entry into the EU, even though they will become net receivers - do you think the other net receivers will take a hit on what they receive? Do you think Germany with it economic problems, have a look at what their govt bonds are being issued at, will pay more?

And I thought the general thought was only Leavers are stupid...
 
Nice big LIE by Johnson this afternoon - joining the Trump 'I didn't say that' club, telling the Rotherham press conference that he didn't say anything about spaffing money up the wall, when he said exactly that! Johnson is treating us as mugs and continues to demean the office of UK Prime Minister.

 
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Nice big LIE by Johnson this afternoon - joining the Trump 'I didn't say that' club, telling the Rotherham press conference that he didn't say anything about spaffing money up the wall, when he said exactly that! Johnson is treating us as mugs and continues to demean the office of UK Prime Minister.

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SILH

Why do you not reply to Post 604 rather than having your own agenda?
 
3offTheTee said:
SILH

Why do you not reply to Post 604 rather than having your own agenda?
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I read Brian's post and took it on board.

No response was necessary.

Brian's post was critical of my opinion.

My post above is fact, and I could ask why you do not reply to Post 607, but instead choose to have a go at me.

Yes I may have an agenda. Johnson is despicable charlatan (my opinion) and should be exposed for being so and not lauded as some bizarre saviour of the country.

Just how I see him I'm afraid.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I read Brian's post and took it on board.

No response was necessary.

Brian's post was critical of my opinion.

My post above is fact, and I could ask why you do not reply to Post 607, but instead choose to have a go at me.

Yes I may have an agenda. Johnson is despicable charlatan (my opinion) and should be exposed for being so and not lauded as some bizarre saviour of the country.

Just how I see him I'm afraid.
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Have a go at you. Tad sensitive old chap.

You are like a dog with a bone on Brexit. Number of times you say ‘I’m out’ only to return.

Expect you wish we were OUT!
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I read Brian's post and took it on board.

No response was necessary.

Brian's post was critical of my opinion.

My post above is fact, and I could ask why you do not reply to Post 607, but instead choose to have a go at me.

Yes I may have an agenda. Johnson is despicable charlatan (my opinion) and should be exposed for being so and not lauded as some bizarre saviour of the country.

Just how I see him I'm afraid.
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Boris is despicable is a joke if you consider the options. The labour party leadership is full of the worst of the worst politicians ever - completely inetlectually dumb, zenophobic, stupid, lazy, lying bunch of sewer dwellers that i have ever seen - listening John McDonnell makes my skin crawl and Jezza can't put a sentence together!
 
PNWokingham said:
Boris is despicable is a joke if you consider the options. The labour party leadership is full of the worst of the worst politicians ever - completely inetlectually dumb, zenophobic, stupid, lazy, lying bunch of sewer dwellers that i have ever seen - listening John McDonnell makes my skin crawl and Jezza can't put a sentence together!
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I get a feeling your not a fan of labour
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I read Brian's post and took it on board.

No response was necessary.

Brian's post was critical of my opinion.

My post above is fact, and I could ask why you do not reply to Post 607, but instead choose to have a go at me.

Yes I may have an agenda. Johnson is despicable charlatan (my opinion) and should be exposed for being so and not lauded as some bizarre saviour of the country.

Just how I see him I'm afraid.
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You need to read it again, specifically the para that starts “business don’t want barriers...” and “the EU economy is tanking...”

Have a look at what the German govt is selling it’s bonds for and what it is valuing them at. It pricing them at more than their value, and hoping that the dividend will make up the loss.... note, hoping.

Have a look at the value of EU member state bonds that are maturing this year, and are backed by the ECB. They are being classed as junk bonds.

With Germany’s GDP struggling I wonder who will be picking up the tab? Oh, look. The U.K. are now paying £1bn a month, after rebate, even though the new budget doesn’t start till 2020.

Economies linked by a common currency even though those economies are so disparate.

As a trading bloc, absolutely yes. But too many people have walked blind folded into a political monolith that just doesn’t sit right. They believe that they need that federalism AND trade linked, forgetting that trade worked fine for many years without the need to spend billions on a political project that isn’t needed.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I read Brian's post and took it on board.

No response was necessary.

Brian's post was critical of my opinion.

My post above is fact, and I could ask why you do not reply to Post 607, but instead choose to have a go at me.

Yes I may have an agenda. Johnson is despicable charlatan (my opinion) and should be exposed for being so and not lauded as some bizarre saviour of the country.

Just how I see him I'm afraid.
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Aren't we all lucky that your, like everyone one else's OPINION means diddly squat, the only time it matters is in the polling station .
 
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