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Boris the PM - a new beginning

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MegaSteve said:
Hmmm... For me, Scotland are no longer seeking independence... They, if Doon is correct, are now wishing to take their rear end from one 'invader' and offer it up to another...

Independence is about self determination not dancing to anothers tune..
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I really would like to understand Scotland's logic, in fact I asked DfT to give some pointers a few pages back but he's declined the offer.
 
drdel said:
I really would like to understand Scotland's logic, in fact I asked DfT to give some pointers a few pages back but he's declined the offer.
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from a personal point of view i don't want to live in a country that is run for the benifit of Boris, the Tory party and the very rich who back them. Those who have become even richer over tha last few years of Tory austeriy, while the poor have become even poorer.

many i know feel the same, quite a few of those were unionists at the last indy election.
 
patricks148 said:
from a personal point of view i don't want to live in a country that is run for the benifit of Boris, the Tory party and the very rich who back them. Those who have become even richer over tha last few years of Tory austeriy, while the poor have become even poorer.

many i know feel the same, quite a few of those were unionists at the last indy election.
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The imbalance of wealth is a worry for me and its effect on future generations -its a big global issue. So yup I can accept that point of view and it could be a good, valid reason to vote for opposition party(ies). The bit I struggle with is understanding why being shackled to a remote (somewhat undemocratic) federalist EU, (euro, ECJ, ECB and taxation) of the future is a better option.
 
drdel said:
I really would like to understand Scotland's logic, in fact I asked DfT to give some pointers a few pages back but he's declined the offer.
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I have explained it to death.
It is certainly more robust than the UK leaving the EU without a deal.

Scots folk mildly amused at the sight of both the Scots Tory and Labour leaders being thrown to the dogs by their respective Westminster head offices.
John MacDonald even harping on about an 'English' [Westminster] parliament giving the 'SNP' [Scottish Government] the opportunity to hold a second referendum.
So out of touch it is painful. Nearly 40% of Scots Labour voters support a second referendum.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I have explained it to death.
It is certainly more robust than the UK leaving the EU without a deal.

Scots folk mildly amused at the sight of both the Scots Tory and Labour leaders being thrown to the dogs by their respective Westminster head offices.
John MacDonald even harping on about an 'English' [Westminster] parliament giving the 'SNP' [Scottish Government] the opportunity to hold a second referendum.
So out of touch it is painful. Nearly 40% of Scots Labour voters support a second referendum.
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Ah yes, the nearly 40% hold more sway than the more than 60%. The majority say no therefore its a yes... love the logic there Doon.
 
drdel said:
The imbalance of wealth is a worry for me and its effect on future generations -its a big global issue. So yup I can accept that point of view and it could be a good, valid reason to vote for opposition party(ies). The bit I struggle with is understanding why being shackled to a remote (somewhat undemocratic) federalist EU, (euro, ECJ, ECB and taxation) of the future is a better option.
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Scotland has done rather well from money from the EU for capitol projects. if you ever come up to this part of the world, you will pass; Bridges, Roads, bypasses, flood difences all funded by the EU. our nearest trading partner for Scotish prodoce, like fish, Beef, lamb ect. plus the migrant workers all relied on and are benifits to agriculture and the hosipitality industry.

i'm sure there is more, but those are good enough for me
 
Hobbit said:
Ah yes, the nearly 40% hold more sway than the more than 60%. The majority say no therefore its a yes... love the logic there Doon.
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Just pointing out the fact to lazy thinkers that all Scots Labour voters are 100% against Scots Independence.
Like some say all Tories support Brexit.
How do you know that 40% is not the majority. 20% could be don't knows/unsure.
 
patricks148 said:
Scotland has done rather well from money from the EU for capitol projects. if you ever come up to this part of the world, you will pass; Bridges, Roads, bypasses, flood difences all funded by the EU. our nearest trading partner for Scotish prodoce, like fish, Beef, lamb ect. plus the migrant workers all relied on and are benifits to agriculture and the hosipitality industry.

i'm sure there is more, but those are good enough for me
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Exactly this.^^^^

Scotland has become a subsidy junkie and the thought of making do with a bit less has got them looking elsewhere for their “fix”
They quail at the prospect of no cheap migrant labour and the idea of actually doing their own graft and standing on their own two feet?... Well let’s face it they simply cannot.

The Proclaimers had it right in their song “Cap in hand”

“We boast, then we cower”
 
Fade and Die said:
Exactly this.^^^^

Scotland has become a subsidy junkie and the thought of making do with a bit less has got them looking elsewhere for their “fix”
They quail at the prospect of no cheap migrant labour and the idea of actually doing their own graft and standing on their own two feet?... Well let’s face it they simply cannot.

The Proclaimers had it right in their song “Cap in hand”

“We boast, then we cower”
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The fact that, pro rata, Scots pay more tax into the UK exchequer than rUK seems to have escaped your attention.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
The fact that, pro rata, Scots pay more tax into the UK exchequer than rUK seems to have escaped your attention.
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Maybe but you know you can never be independent financially, the numbers simply don’t add up.
It’s just a Bannockburn mentality stoke up by the SNP career Marksists,

You were betrayed by Labour, SNP is just a protest vote.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I have explained it to death.
It is certainly more robust than the UK leaving the EU without a deal.

Scots folk mildly amused at the sight of both the Scots Tory and Labour leaders being thrown to the dogs by their respective Westminster head offices.
John MacDonald even harping on about an 'English' [Westminster] parliament giving the 'SNP' [Scottish Government] the opportunity to hold a second referendum.
So out of touch it is painful. Nearly 40% of Scots Labour voters support a second referendum.
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I get you don't like the politicians.
You still avoided my question on what makes the EU a place where Scots would be better represented.
 
drdel said:
I get you don't like the politicians.
You still avoided my question on what makes the EU a place where Scots would be better represented.
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I have done that hundreds of times on here.

But just two points to ponder on, a Scottish politician representing a Scottish constituency could become president of the EU but since EVIL could never become a UK PM [or even a prominent cabinet member]
Compare how the EU have defended Irelands position and how Westminster Tory leaders treat elected Scottish MP's.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I have done that hundreds of times on here.

But just two points to ponder on, a Scottish politician representing a Scottish constituency could become president of the EU but since EVIL could never become a UK PM [or even a prominent cabinet member]
Compare how the EU have defended Irelands position and how Westminster Tory leaders treat elected Scottish MP's.
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Wasn't Gordon Brown, exUK PM born in Giffnock?
 
Fade and Die said:
Exactly this.^^^^

Scotland has become a subsidy junkie and the thought of making do with a bit less has got them looking elsewhere for their “fix”
They quail at the prospect of no cheap migrant labour and the idea of actually doing their own graft and standing on their own two feet?... Well let’s face it they simply cannot.

The Proclaimers had it right in their song “Cap in hand”

“We boast, then we cower”
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all the capitopl projects i mentioned wouldn't have been done without those hand outs...Esp up here in the Highlands, it would still be taking 3 hours to get to Dornoch without it now its 4 mins,fancy going to Skye, before you would have had to get a boat, drive up the west coast or get from Village to Village in some parts, no problem, add a few hours onto your trip for a 10 mine journey... no problem.

while all the Gov funding on infrastructure was being spent down south, we go nothing its little supprise many are seeing the EU as a better alternative to an unequal society that England seems to be happy with.

the sort of attitude you are protraying here is one of the things thats making Indy ref 2 a thing to look forward to;)
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Utter nonsense
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Here’s something else that will make your Tam spin...

We already know that the Scots rejected independence in 2014...so could it not be that they voted Remain because the BRITISH government told them to? This would also explain the N.Ireland vote. Would the Ulster Proddies vote AGAINST any British government? No chance.

I think you have been duped by the SNP...again.
 
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